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    Quote Originally Posted by Lindy
    I'm "computer-smart" enough to know that I don't NEED Firefox, I've done speed and spyware comparisons, there is minimal difference, if anything Firefox loads pages slower for me.

    Oh, and I find it funny that Firefox users suddenly assume themselves superior to people who don't feel the need to use an alternative browser when the one they have works fine.

    You don't see people making "LOOK THE NEW IE VERSION, USE IT NOW", do you?

    I want a browser to look at web pages, IE does that, I don't need bells, whistles and tabs when I have all that I need.
    What new IE version?

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    Funny because I actually use hotkeys and tabs more than I use a mouse, handy, eh?

    That and you can't compare a piece of hardware to a piece of software, hotkeys and tabs to a mouse is not like IE to firefox as a mouse is a giant step up from tabs and hotkeys.

    Firefox is just a step to the side, not a step forward.

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    What I find really amusing is that in the past year, I've heard countless people complain about Firefox crashing (at least three in the past week) and I can't remember IE crashing on me or any friends of mine in the same length of time. I was nearly converted beforehand, but put it off, and there's far less of a chance of me doing it right after so many complaints. I still say that maybe I'll do it later, for security purposes only. I'd have to disable a lot of Firefox features, though, such as tabbed browsing and the fact that (apparently) scrolling opens links and so forth.

    In the past year, IE has not crashed on my friends or myself as far as I know, but Firefox has. Also, it was prone to problems when playing Scorch2000. I think every player who played that game using Firefox crashed at least once. So whoever says "it runs everything just fine!" is entirely wrong.

    Maybe Firefox is better, but right now, IE works just fine for me.

    EDIT: Regarding tabs and hotkeys: I don't like tabs because I use my mouse to change windows, and I like having them ALL listed at the bottom of the screen. I have the option of grouping similar windows, but I don't use that either. Having everything available to me in a single click is superior to tabs, which could require two links if I was going from Excel to a Firefox window which was tabbed away. That's decreasing efficiency for me. As for hotkeys, I use my mouse more often than my keyboard when browsing, so I don't need them. I very rarely use the hotkeys that are available to me without Firefox.
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    IE is a bigger security risk simply because it's tied directly to the OS. ActiveX among other things have caused most of the security problems found in IE.

    The reason why IE starts-up faster than Firefox is that it loads while Windows is loading.

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    I do admit that IE has bigger security issues (not problems, but issues, because there are problems with Firefox, it just happens that hackers don't turn those problems into issues because Firefox isn't targeted like IE is). Having said that, if more people used Firefox than IE, I firmly believe that Firefox would have a surge in security issues. So you guys can thank me for using IE, now.

    EDIT: Security is, to date, the ONLY decent reason anyone has ever given me when it comes to switching to Firefox, and is the only reason I still do consider it from time to time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loserheaddumdum
    Firefox is just a step to the side, not a step forward.
    That made me cry. YOU'VE IGNORED EVERYTHING I'VE SAID. C'mon, listen... Microsoft practically bought out W3C and won't comply to their standards. CSS + XHTML is how pages are made these days, and IE can't handle CSS. IE can't even handle PNG Alpha Transparency. Y'know those annoying little white lines around those .gif images? That's there because ignorant people won't use Firefox out of spite. What reason have you to use IE? EVERYTHING offered in IE is offered in Firefox. All of this is just immature defiance strictly due to spite.

    Quote Originally Posted by Loony BoB
    What I find really amusing is that in the past year, I've heard countless people complain about Firefox crashing (at least three in the past week) and I can't remember IE crashing on me or any friends of mine in the same length of time. I was nearly converted beforehand, but put it off, and there's far less of a chance of me doing it right after so many complaints. I still say that maybe I'll do it later, for security purposes only. I'd have to disable a lot of Firefox features, though, such as tabbed browsing and the fact that (apparently) scrolling opens links and so forth.

    In the past year, IE has not crashed on my friends or myself as far as I know, but Firefox has. Also, it was prone to problems when playing Scorch2000. I think every player who played that game using Firefox crashed at least once. So whoever says "it runs everything just fine!" is entirely wrong.

    Maybe Firefox is better, but right now, IE works just fine for me.
    That's because whenever IE crashes explorer tends to crash altogether.

    BTW: I've never had Firefox crash on me.

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    Firefox is generally more secure when compared to IE regardless of who is targeting it. Like I said, it's much easier for embedded scripts to execute within a webpage in IE than in Firefox.

    Can we keep the petty attacks out of this? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeZipster
    That's because whenever IE crashes explorer tends to crash altogether.
    I've never had Explorer crash on me, either, since I started using XP. The only times my PC has crashed completely is when I had some driver or possibly memory problem. I did, however, once have a virus problem, but that was a security breach (which I've already admitted to being an issue) rather than IE directly causing a crash. Also, the virus would shut down my system, not crash it.
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    Seriously guys!
    It's white on the background with blue text instead of blue background with white text. The contrast is killing my eyes already. @____@

    Also: Firefox is the [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img] now, it's not the firefox people who're trying to be different, people who know anything about computers and still use ie are the ones being contrary just for the sake of it. :-x

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeZipster
    That made me cry. YOU'VE IGNORED EVERYTHING I'VE SAID. C'mon, listen... Microsoft practically bought out W3C and won't comply to their standards. CSS + XHTML is how pages are made these days, and IE can't handle CSS. IE can't even handle PNG Alpha Transparency. Y'know those annoying little white lines around those .gif images? <b>That's there because ignorant people won't use Firefox out of spite</b>. What reason have you to use IE? EVERYTHING offered in IE is offered in Firefox. <b>All of this is just immature defiance strictly due to spite</b>.
    Look, I don't know what kind of life you lead, but I personally have better things to do than "spite" the internet by not using Firefox.

    I'm using Internet Explorer because I've weighed up the differences, compared them, and I have no reason at all to change from something that works to...something that works, in a different way.

    Step to the side, not forward.

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    I used to have netscape vs. IE arguments with my old roomate way back in the day.

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    Netscape was better than IE on Windows 3.1, since Netscape 3.x would support frames but IE 2.x couldn't.

    Oh and Javascript.

    Those were the good old days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MecaKane
    Seriously guys!
    It's white on the background with blue text instead of blue background with white text. The contrast is killing my eyes already. @____@

    Also: Firefox is the [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img] now, it's not the firefox people who're trying to be different, people who know anything about computers and still use ie are the ones being contrary just for the sake of it. :-x
    I bet there's a way to change that. I'd tell you how, but I'm no good at that sort of thing. Try poking around in some of the files.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loony BoB
    I've never had Explorer crash on me, either, since I started using XP. The only times my PC has crashed completely is when I had some driver or possibly memory problem. I did, however, once have a virus problem, but that was a security breach (which I've already admitted to being an issue) rather than IE directly causing a crash. Also, the virus would shut down my system, not crash it.
    Explorer crashes on me all the time because I abuse my system xD

    It just doesn't work like it did four years ago.

    (also you don't have to reboot when explorer crashes. Just alt tab to some window and try to browse anything or if you're in a command line type program, /run explorer.exe )

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