WHAT THE HELL ARE FAERIES???

[Qurange]

Angels and fairies don't look very alike at all in most myths, though--only the watered-down versions of those myths that are used on greeting cards and the like. Also, I think that, given the way that they were talked about in-game, if fairies are a part of the myth, it's as nature-spirits, rather than as otherworldly divinities. The problem is that angels and faeries are completely different kinds of myth, so trying to link the two isn't going to be a very strong foundation for many ideas.

It can be said that that's the link, as long as it's understood that there appears to be no canon evidence for the theory, and instead it's making up something based on FF8, rather than in FF8.

[Discord]

I'm actually pretty sure that at some point Laguna tells Squall or someone else that he always called them, i.e. Squal and co., the faeries. I'm fairly certain on this one.

[Qurange]

Yep, that was already stated a while back, I think.

[Future Esthar]

That´s because Quistis,Rinoa,Edea and Selphie were the only good sorceresses of the game.
Better,the only Sorceresses.

[Qurange]

Quistis and Selphie weren't Sorceresses at all, actually. And I'm not sure what you're referring to that Rinoa and Edea being the only Sorceresses explains.

[Future Esthar]

They were good sorceresses.
Good sorceresses were called fairies by the ancients.
They look like fairies.
Thus Laguna call them fairies.

Prove me that Quistis and Selphie weren´t sorceresses please.

[Qurange]

Prove to me that the ancients called good Sorceresses fairies.

And certainly, I'd be happy to. Firstly, we can be certain that Quistis and Selphie were not Sorceresses at the orphanage, because Edea specifically said that they were not; in fact, she said that she didn't want either of them to become Sorceresses. Therefore, as of the age of five or six, neither was a Sorceress. Then, they move on, and the events before they reach their Gardens are less clear, but indicate nothing out of the ordinary. Selphie was sent off to Trabia Garden and made lots of friends, and Quistis was sent to foster homes before eventually landing at Balamb Garden. From that point onward, we can account for their histories.

Nothing was said to indicate any particular unusual change, no situation put forth where they might have inherited the powers of a Sorceress. In fact, no Sorceresses were presented except for Rinoa, Edea, Ultimecia, and Adel. They acquired their unique abilities in training at the Garden, and then the game plot happened.

Rinoa became a Sorceress, and the multiple Sorceresses with which they all had contact all said nothing at all about Selphie or Quistis having those powers, even though it's reasonable to think that they may have sensed such things. In fact, later on, it was important to the plot that only Rinoa among the party was a Sorceress--the plot to trap Adel and force Ultimecia's hand relied on Rinoa, after all.

There is simply nothing to suggest that they're Sorceresses that can't be easily explained otherwise. It can be suggested that they're Sorceresses and don't know it because of their limit breaks, but if it had been unusual to use a magical limit break, I expect that Garden, which is a school that would be more expert than most in such matters, would have figured it out. Quistis and Selphie weren't Sorceresses.

[Future Esthar]

That is what we see on the game but you had not proofed that they weren´t sorceresses.

[Qurange]

Yes, I have. You can go and read it again; it proves it rather nicely. The game (and the Ultimania) are where all theories and statements on the game must base their evidence if they're going to be valid, after all, so what happens in the game is a good place to start.

More than that, you still haven't shown me that the ancients called good Sorceresses fairies or that Selphie, Rinoa, Quistis, and Edea looked anything at all like fairies. Please do so.

[Future Esthar]

No,you haven´t.

The only sorceresses we see on the game are Edea,Rinoa,Ulti,Adel.
Ulti supposedly lives on some other time which we can´t prove to be on the future.
It makes more sense if it was on the furthest past.Edea´s house will become Esthar Sorceress memorial on the furthest future on FF8.And Ulti´s castle will become Esthar´s presidencial Palace.It will stop travelling around the world as Garden and will rest near Winhill.

At Ulti´s time the castle will collapse in the end and after an earthquake it will be buried underground with part of it seen as Edea´s house.
Ulti will change her name to Edea along with her appearance.
And after the earthquake ( originated by the Lunar cry which wiped out Centra city) Centra era begins.

Sorceress Adel is more difficult to explain.

Suppose our characters were the Power Rangers.
At some time the Power Rangers funded to become ONE huge robot.
This is sorceress Adel.
You can also see Adel as some kind of Captain Planet.
They don´t fund intentionally.It was the enemy who doomed them.
This is a subject whose explanation is complex requiring an entire new thread so let´s move on.
Adel is the most powerful being of FF8.
So why does it look too easy?

When Laguna sealed Adel´s powers this powers were kept on a magic container inside the Memorial.
When Adel get back from Space the engineers tried to pass the powers inside the container to Rinoa so that Adel can´t get a hold of it.
However as we saw,Seifer tricked our characters and kidnapped Rinoa so that Adel could drain her powers back.
FORTUNATELY Rinoa has not all of Adel´s power because Squall freed her at the memorial cutting the magic transition tube.

Otherwise Adel would be almost impossible to defeat.

There were no other visible sorceresses on the game.
The ones we saw during "time compression" were Rinoa,Quistis,Selphie and Edea(Ulti) by this order.The resemblance is big.

[Qurange]

I'm sorry, but I'm having trouble making any sense of what you just said. Could you just point out what your problem is with the proof?

I see absolutely no reason to say that Edea and Ultimecia are the same person, or that the Sorceresses during time compression had anything at all to do with your party. If you think that they look alike, that's nice, but that's not evidence; I look like a friend of mine, but we're not the same person. The engineers didn't try to pass any powers, nor did they say they tried.

Adel is not an amalgamation of anything. She's a powerful Sorceress.

...And lastly, we know that Ultimecia lives in the far future. It was stated in-game, and when the party travelled through Time Compression, they travelled forward. When they came back, Squall went too far back, ending up at the orphanage and meeting Edea. There is absolutely no reason to think that the orphanage is Ultimecia's castle. The architecture is even different.

[Jiro]

Fairys are like butterflies but they have a human face and legs, really small or can be bigger, the have wings (diff colors maybe) They have powers. Like Tinkerbell or the 3 fairys offa sleeping beauty

[Christmas]

Anyway, there is a angelic theme going on within the game and note that those sorceress that play a major role in the game had something in common.




All of them had wings like ornament or real wings as like Rinoa.
You can also go look at the opening movie or ending movie where you can see feathers all over and instead of whatever you claim.

Angels and faeries are not the same but look alike (not equal but similar).

Faeries have butterfly like wings while Angels have white/black..etc wings. There is a major differences in these if you use those eyes of yours or you just dun want to admit the fact.

You have the misconception of seeing angel and fairy as the same thing just because "fairies" is mentioned in the game while Angel is hardly mentioned.

But like what you alway do, if you use some of that brain of yours and graphical details which you alway claim you are so good at, you can see that there is this angelic theme going on and no, it isn't a fairy theme.

The limit breaks "Angel Wings" goes with the theme of it, also for the last time, fairy dun have white wings. That is why I tell you that Rinoa limit break is called "ANGEL WINGS" and not "FAIRY WINGS".

Adding your faeries stuff/craps onto it defy every single aspects of the theme

Prove me that Quistis and Selphie weren´t sorceresses please.

Right. Where do Quistis and Selphie got their powers from? If they got it from Rinoa which you claim that is their ancestor, then first go prove their family line of yours first before coming with this pointless statement.

[Future Esthar]

Alright,

Firstly, we can be certain that Quistis and Selphie were not Sorceresses at the orphanage, because Edea specifically said that they were not; in fact, she said that she didn't want either of them to become Sorceresses.

This proofs nothing because you don´t know if Edea is Ultimecia or not.
And even if they weren´t sorceresses now they had the right to become one by genealogy.
The thruth: Sorceress=Propagators from outer space who ruled over Centra after geting powers from an ancestor.There is only four generation on the dinasty.
The hoax:Any person can become a sorceress by receiving the powers of another.This happens indefinitely.
Let me tell you a little about FF8´s history:
Esthar was a country ruled by the evil Adel.
Sorceresses had been researched by Esthars scientists.
They were a closed country until they finally went to the "outside world".
Since they had a "sedentary" nature it was easy to deceive them into thinking that they were yet on the present.
They didn´t realized that the world was a WOTC world.
So they started to make research on sorceresses on the outside world and wrongly concluded the hoax.
This hoax was taught over the world and there you have.

Nothing was said to indicate any particular unusual change, no situation put forth where they might have inherited the powers of a Sorceress.

Of course not.People loosed memory and don´t remember the events prior to the creation of WOTC (which happened on a different event universe).

In fact, no Sorceresses were presented except for Rinoa, Edea, Ultimecia, and Adel.

I already explained my theories on the last two which can´t be really disproofed.

Rinoa became a Sorceress, and the multiple Sorceresses with which they all had contact all said nothing at all about Selphie or Quistis having those powers, even though it's reasonable to think that they may have sensed such things.

No one knows due to the reasons I already stated.
Nor the people from the Winhill Civilization nor the people from the Centra civilization.
Only Hyne which comes from the Winhill Civilization knows.
The entire Adel resistance members also knows about this (It was first discovered by Laguna,Kyros and Ward after they freed Elle and before they concealed Adel).

In fact, later on, it was important to the plot that only Rinoa among the party was a Sorceress--the plot to trap Adel and force Ultimecia's hand relied on Rinoa, after all.

Hyne knows there were more sorceresses on FF8 than Rinoa at that time.
He just happened to get Ulti inside Rinoa.
What a coincidence that Hyne choosed exactly the person Laguna and Odine choosed isn´t it?
Not necessarily.
Grandpa at Balamb-"He could even be watching you now" Ah,Ah,Ah,Ah,Ah,Ah

It can be suggested that they're Sorceresses and don't know it because of their limit breaks, but if it had been unusual to use a magical limit break, I expect that Garden, which is a school that would be more expert than most in such matters, would have figured it out. Quistis and Selphie weren't Sorceresses.

Don´t forget Edea uses Cid as a pawn to control Garden.And Edea is possessed by Hyne.

[Christmas]

Alright,


This proofs nothing because you don´t know if Edea is Ultimecia or not.
And even if they weren´t sorceresses now they had the right to become one by genealogy.
The thruth: Sorceress=Propagators from outer space who ruled over Centra after geting powers from an ancestor.There is only four generation on the dinasty.
The hoax:Any person can become a sorceress by receiving the powers of another.This happens indefinitely.
Let me tell you a little about FF8´s history:
Esthar was a country ruled by the evil Adel.
Sorceresses had been researched by Esthars scientists.
They were a closed country until they finally went to the "outside world".
Since they had a "sedentary" nature it was easy to deceive them into thinking that they were yet on the present.
They didn´t realized that the world was a WOTC world.
So they started to make research on sorceresses on the outside world and wrongly concluded the hoax.
This hoax was taught over the world and there you have.



Of course not.People loosed memory and don´t remember the events prior to the creation of WOTC (which happened on a different event universe).


I already explained my theories on the last two which can´t be really disproofed.



No one knows due to the reasons I already stated.
Nor the people from the Winhill Civilization nor the people from the Centra civilization.
Only Hyne which comes from the Winhill Civilization knows.
The entire Adel resistance members also knows about this (It was first discovered by Laguna,Kyros and Ward after they freed Elle and before they concealed Adel).



Hyne knows there were more sorceresses on FF8 than Rinoa at that time.
He just happened to get Ulti inside Rinoa.
What a coincidence that Hyne choosed exactly the person Laguna and Odine choosed isn´t it?
Not necessarily.
Grandpa at Balamb-"He could even be watching you now" Ah,Ah,Ah,Ah,Ah,Ah



Don´t forget Edea uses Cid as a pawn to control Garden.And Edea is possessed by Hyne.