WHAT THE HELL ARE FAERIES???

[Qurange]

I'm talking about canon and canon-derived FF8, not the alternate universe FF8 you've created for your theories, FE. Unless you're willing to offer some proof from canon, I think we can put to rest the connection you're trying to make, and say that the faeries were Squall and company, and were maybe part of myth in FF8-world but had nothing to do with Sorceresses at all.

After all, you didn't even touch half of what I said in the first place, let alone put down any logical reasoning.

Also...

The idea that (nearly) anyone can become a Sorceress is not a hoax, it is stated in the game: the capacity to embody the Sorceress powers is required to become a sorceress, but no one can become a Sorceress without inheriting the powers. You can't just become a Sorceress because your mother was a Sorceress, unless she passes her powers to you.

Furthermore, there is absolutely no basis on which to state that Cid was Edea's pawn. If you want to put forth these ideas, show why anyone should believe them. If any idea turns what the game itself told you into a lie, there had better be a very good reason to think that idea is accurate, and you haven't provided that reason, other than 'I think it is so.' Taking statements out of context doesn't work, either.

[Christmas]

I think it is pretty ironic/hilarious that you post the same stuffs again from your previous threads to this one cause this chap here had no idea what is going on in the past.

The only stuff that is different is the faeries stuffs which I explained why it can't work.

Despite the fact I urged you to prove/explain the fact that certain events (eg.Propagators = EVERYONE.}did happens in my earlier posts/arguments, it appears that you ignored it and carried on.

Why dun you go put some more thinking in your stuffs before posting it here.

[Future Esthar]

Why dun you go put some more thinking in your stuffs before posting it here.

I put too much.

The only stuff that is different is the faeries stuffs which I explained why it can't work.

Invalid explanation.

How many times do I have to say that"IT DIDN´T MATTER IF FARIES HAD NOT WHITE WINGS.FARIES OFTEN SYMBOLIZES GOOD AND HAD WINGS.WHITE IS THE SYMBOL OF GOOD AND PURENESS.SO SQUARE DECIDED TO USE THE FAIRY SYMBOLISM TO REFER TO A GOOD SORCERESS.

After all, you didn't even touch half of what I said in the first place, let alone put down any logical reasoning.

Yes I did.I showed that it is impossible to proof Ulti is not Edea let alone that is she is saying the thruth or not ommiting something.

The idea that (nearly) anyone can become a Sorceress is not a hoax, it is stated in the game: the capacity to embody the Sorceress powers is required to become a sorceress, but no one can become a Sorceress without inheriting the powers. You can't just become a Sorceress because your mother was a Sorceress, unless she passes her powers to you.

I pretty much explained why people on ff8 hold to that idea.
I know a person is just a sorceress after receiving powers but only someone from the genealogical line can inherit it.A person from the legendary Centra dinasty can only pass her powers to another person of the same dinasty.
It just happens that Hyne performed WOTC so a pregnant woman on the region A can have 18 years age and find another woman which has 17 years and just happened to take a boat from B to A without realizing it was a time machine and on B she was on the future 17 years ahead from A.If the first was a sorceress and the last was her daughter she will pass her powers to her and say"See,it is not required to be a daughter.She was about my age".Of course if there is a researcher studying that without realizing the existence of WOTC this will probably be learned at the most conceptued schools and published at the most famous science magazines turning into a global hoax.

[Aurora_sword]

I've always thought it was just a saying within the Final Fantasy VIII world. Laguna's simply experiencing a strange feeling as Ellone sends back Squall's consciousness into the past and just like how we would say "Woah, deja vu" when we experience something that feels like it's happened before, Laguna has said "Huh? Faeries?" when Squall is 'inside him' (oh grow up)

Uoh that can be taken in a so very wrong way!
FANGIRLS!!!


faeries are just, you know like, laguna seems like the type of guy who likes fairy tale...

[Qurange]

It just happens that Hyne performed WOTC so a pregnant woman on the region A can have 18 years age and find another woman which has 17 years and just happened to take a boat from B to A without realizing it was a time machine and on B she was on the future 17 years ahead from A.If the first was a sorceress and the last was her daughter she will pass her powers to her and say"See,it is not required to be a daughter.She was about my age".Of course if there is a researcher studying that without realizing the existence of WOTC this will probably be learned at the most conceptued schools and published at the most famous science magazines turning into a global hoax.

This isn't evidence. This is a situation concocted to fit your theory, not evidence from the game on which to base it. This works for your AU, but it simply doesn't hold up when compared to other ideas about how the powers are passed on.

There's no real reason to believe this over the simple and more reasonable explanation given in the game. The Information files don't lie.

[Christmas]

Invalid explanation.

How many times do I have to say that"IT DIDN´T MATTER IF FARIES HAD NOT WHITE WINGS.FARIES OFTEN SYMBOLIZES GOOD AND HAD WINGS.WHITE IS THE SYMBOL OF GOOD AND PURENESS.SO SQUARE DECIDED TO USE THE FAIRY SYMBOLISM TO REFER TO A GOOD SORCERESS.

But WHITE is SOMETHING THE FAIRIES DUN HAVE. How can it be used to symbolize something where it doesn't have any relevant qualities to represent it?

So we can use Devil to symbolize goodness and love since the devil doesn't really need to have any qualities to represent goodness and love so as to symbolize it. Oh ya, the devil had wings too, you know or a Dove.

And if you rephrase it, Most Angels had white wings. Angels usually symbolized good and pureness. But no one said here Angel represent good sorceress. Can't you even see through such a tiny little loophole in your stuff???

[Aerith's Knight]

you guys really wanna know what it is.. very simple.. everyone has a gaurdian angel.. only some ppl dont believe in them.. so they called them fearies.. things that watch over you and protect you.. and angels had white wings so it is possible that ppl said that fairy's had white wings.. thats y laguna says that it was the fearies because they gave him strenth.. you ppl btw dun have much to do all day do you?

[Christmas]

and angels had white wings so it is possible that ppl said that fairy's had white wings

Does that mean Angels will have butterfly like wings too?

[muzzer]

Prove me that Quistis and Selphie weren´t sorceresses please.

this might help(taken from squarehybrid.com)

In Final Fantasy VIII, a witch/sorceress inherits their powers through being a descendant of the great god Hyne. Hyne was an entity of magic, and during her reign over the people of the world, a war broke out. During this time of fear and death, Hyne chose to flee from the sight of man. Leaving part of herself behind as she left the world.

The people who absorbed this 'left over' part of Hyne, were women, and these women developed the ability to use and control magic. These female magic users became sorceresses and were named Hyne's Descendants. Sorceresses live forever, unless mortally defeated, in which case the sorceress must find a female recipient to pass their powers onto, so that they may accept death in peace.

As most believe believe, the FFVIII world is that of a continuous loop, a circular time warp if you will, where certain events just repeat forever. Ultimecia is defeated by Squall...Ultimecia passes her powers onto Edea...Edea accidentally transfers her powers onto Rinoa...Rinoa is/becomes Ultimecia...Ultimecia is defeated by Squall... it's a circular sequence of events. Which is the thing that makes FFVIII so amazingly complex, intriguing and interesting.

Adel, of course is a sorceress too, but like many other women who absorbed Hyne's powers, she just isn't a main part of those events. As she received her powers from the 'original source'. Some witches, like Edea, are given their powers at a very young age. As Edea states she came into her magic at five years of age, but then again received a new dose of power from Ultimecia.

So from this, we can make the assumption that magic is sometimes passes on from the original Descendants of Hyne, from mother to daughter, and the powers lie dormant until they are awoken, and sometimes witches come into their power by them specifically being given to them by another full fledged sorceress.

There are of course, many possibilities, the majority of which are strongly backed up by evidence in the game if you make sure you pay close heed to everything that is said. But everyone is free to make their own assumptions. I personally believe in the Ultimecia/Rinoa theory, but many don't, because they just haven't payed attention to all the subtle hints and secrets that are revealed through out the story.

[Qurange]

this might help(taken from squarehybrid.com)

In Final Fantasy VIII, a witch/sorceress inherits their powers through being a descendant of the great god Hyne. Hyne was an entity of magic, and during her reign over the people of the world, a war broke out. During this time of fear and death, Hyne chose to flee from the sight of man. Leaving part of herself behind as she left the world.

The people who absorbed this 'left over' part of Hyne, were women, and these women developed the ability to use and control magic. These female magic users became sorceresses and were named Hyne's Descendants. Sorceresses live forever, unless mortally defeated, in which case the sorceress must find a female recipient to pass their powers onto, so that they may accept death in peace.

As most believe believe, the FFVIII world is that of a continuous loop, a circular time warp if you will, where certain events just repeat forever. Ultimecia is defeated by Squall...Ultimecia passes her powers onto Edea...Edea accidentally transfers her powers onto Rinoa...Rinoa is/becomes Ultimecia...Ultimecia is defeated by Squall... it's a circular sequence of events. Which is the thing that makes FFVIII so amazingly complex, intriguing and interesting.

Adel, of course is a sorceress too, but like many other women who absorbed Hyne's powers, she just isn't a main part of those events. As she received her powers from the 'original source'. Some witches, like Edea, are given their powers at a very young age. As Edea states she came into her magic at five years of age, but then again received a new dose of power from Ultimecia.

So from this, we can make the assumption that magic is sometimes passes on from the original Descendants of Hyne, from mother to daughter, and the powers lie dormant until they are awoken, and sometimes witches come into their power by them specifically being given to them by another full fledged sorceress.

There are of course, many possibilities, the majority of which are strongly backed up by evidence in the game if you make sure you pay close heed to everything that is said. But everyone is free to make their own assumptions. I personally believe in the Ultimecia/Rinoa theory, but many don't, because they just haven't payed attention to all the subtle hints and secrets that are revealed through out the story.

Well, for one, I actually kind of already proved that Quistis and Selphie aren't Sorceresses--and not all of this actually fits with the canon. (I don't mean any of this as an attack, obviously; you didnt' write it, and the author seems to have put a good bit of thought into it.)

Sorceresses do not have extended lifespans, for one. ...And as far as I'm concerned, FF8 is not in some sort of cyclical time loop, not in total, at least. Time does not end with Ultimecia--I don't know where their source is that most people believe that, but most FF8 fans I know believe nothing of the sort.

More than that, Hyne was male--and the legend is a bit more complicated than all of that. It's a nice essay, but it could use a rewrite.

It's kind of insulting that you would say that I don't believe in R=U because I 'haven't paid attention to the game', especially when quite the opposite is true. If you pay attention to canon, R=U is simply not the case.

[Future Esthar]

Merry Christmas,Christmas.See ya on 25/12/2005.Santa Claus is not forgetting you. (kidding)