how many of you are cheap?

[Shin Gouken]

There are tools in the game that are given purely for those who have difficulty with this type of game but are their so they can enjoy it too. But they are commenly used for cheaply defeating the bosses added in the game for those who are in fact really good at this type of game.


Im thinking of two mainly. In ffviii there were invincible granting weapons given. And in ffvii there was knights of the round. These im sure are their to help those who are less skilled then most but are used to cheaply kill the bosses designed for the more so skilled of us (i think im repeating myself)

Its 3:12 in the morning and i am tired but this is bugging me slightly

who here is cheap and if you are why?

[raskerino]

I don't use invincibility or one hit destroy moves.

I spurn cheepness in FFVIII (at least I have for the last two playthroughs), meaning I don't abuse "the end," invincible items, or angel wings- I'm not good with Armeggadon Fist anyway so that doesn't matter much.

In FFVII, I have used KoTR and abused the materia system pretty heavily. I don't use Cait Sith's one move win.

In FFIX I don't like 9999 moves, not always because there cheep (arguably) but becasue I'm too lazy to level it up.

FFX I play through pretty normally.

FFX-2 there is no point to cheep things because it's so easy except catnip in via infinito, which I do use, as that dungeon is so pointlessly long.

FFT is not too difficult a game, I never made uber setups but accumulated enough (I didn't know about Yell, I think I left the squire to early in my one and only playthrough).

Outside of the FF series I will usually not abuse anything until I've beaten the boss without it.

Edit: Also I don't always abuse cheep things, some plays I will, some I won't.

[ljkkjlcm9]

I don't see how anything programmed into the game is cheap, the W-item trick is cheap, because it's a programming error, KoTR is not cheap because it was meant to be there.

THE JACKEL

[Shin Gouken]

I don't see how anything programmed into the game is cheap, the W-item trick is cheap, because it's a programming error, KoTR is not cheap because it was meant to be there.

THE JACKEL

did you even read the rest of my post?

i believe Kotr was placed in the game so people who are less skilled can still enjoy the game and its ending. its fair to obtain this if you are good at the game, and enjoy it at your disposal. but i do not believe it was intended for cheap use against the optional bosses. the optional bosses were addad as challenges for the best ff players, so abusing a weapon added for the less skilled is by far a very cheap thing to do

[Starboard Regulator FlareNUKE]

Or maybe a reward for getting a Gold Chocobo and being hidden, if it was meant for helping those new at the game, it would not be hidden and you not need to spend time breeding a Gold Chocobo...

[Shin Gouken]

Or maybe a reward for getting a Gold Chocobo and being hidden, if it was meant for helping those new at the game, it would not be hidden and you not need to spend time breeding a Gold Chocobo...

that doesnt explain invincibilty items in ffviii though. And Kotr kills most things after a single summon, meaning no work at all. And if i remember rightly, the game punishes those who kill bosses using Kotr by giving sephiroth more HP.

[ljkkjlcm9]

I don't care if you think it's an item for less skilled players and that makes it cheap. You can THINK whatever you want. But an item programmed into the game that you can get without any cheating, doesn't constitute it being cheap.

THE JACKEL

[Shin Gouken]

I don't care if you think it's an item for less skilled players and that makes it cheap. You can THINK whatever you want. But an item programmed into the game that you can get without any cheating, doesn't constitute it being cheap.

THE JACKEL

your obviously very cheap then

[RaidenWeb17]

alright guys calm down. I do agree with ljkkjlcm9 on this though. If its in the game and not a programming error. Then its not cheap. But I do like to not use some of the summons like KotR and I never used the invincibility items in FF8 (I just used Aura instead and no I havent beaten Omega Weapon) but the 9999 moves in FF9 are definitly not cheap as it takes forever to level them up except for Freya's Dragon Crest, that ones kinda easy. But I still agree with ljkkjlcm9.

[ljkkjlcm9]

your obviously very cheap then

don't assume, I've beaten the weapons in FFVII without KoTR, and I've also beaten Omega in FFVIII without invincibility, but I don't think they're cheap items.

THE JACKEL

[Shin Gouken]

don't assume, I've beaten the weapons in FFVII without KoTR, and I've also beaten Omega in FFVIII without invincibility, but I don't think they're cheap items.

THE JACKEL

they are "considered" cheap because once obtained, they are relied upon for beating enemies designed to be a challenge. hardly a challenge if your invincable or have two doezen Kotr at you disposal.


please understand, im not saying that these tools are cheap, im saying that how they are used is cheap.

[Starcrest]

you didn't imply that in the beginning. I know really good players at FFVIII that have used the invicibility items before on Omega weapon and still lost, it's stratgey on HOW to use them. If you keep spamming them, yeah, but if you use one or two to stop someone who's almost dead from dying so you can heal them, is that cheap? No, it's smart. As for KOTR, I myself have never gotten it (to lazy to raise gold choco) but I didn't need it to beat the optional bosses. I know another good FFVII player, and probably a lot more out there, that need him to defeat the two optional weapons. It doesn't mean your bad, it means they're hard. And using KOTR to kill the weapons doesn't give sephy more health, your level does. So if you level up high enough to even be able to kill the weapons w/o KOTR, then you screwed yourself, it wasn't the summon

[Shin Gouken]

you didn't imply that in the beginning. I know really good players at FFVIII that have used the invicibility items before on Omega weapon and still lost, it's stratgey on HOW to use them. If you keep spamming them, yeah, but if you use one or two to stop someone who's almost dead from dying so you can heal them, is that cheap? No, it's smart. As for KOTR, I myself have never gotten it (to lazy to raise gold choco) but I didn't need it to beat the optional bosses. I know another good FFVII player, and probably a lot more out there, that need him to defeat the two optional weapons. It doesn't mean your bad, it means they're hard. And using KOTR to kill the weapons doesn't give sephy more health, your level does. So if you level up high enough to even be able to kill the weapons w/o KOTR, then you screwed yourself, it wasn't the summon

read again

you cant heal some-one under invincibility

they are supposed to be hard. they were their to challenge the best of us

i didnt say the weapons. i believe using Kotr on jenova gives sephy more health

[Christmas]

normal circumstances - Safer Sephiroth has 80,000

Three characters lvl 99 - Safer Sephiroth's HP 170,000 HP ~ HP 190,000

If you use KOTR too on Jenova∙SYNTHESIS, Safer Sephiroth will has 400,000 HP.


Besides, as for these cheap items(Holy Wars, KOTR...), it is not like they appear on our inventory right in the begining or they are just brought from the shop.

We worked to get them so why can't we just use what we were rewarded from our hard work. It is one personally preferences that he or she want a challenges.

[Shin Gouken]

normal circumstances - Safer Sephiroth has 80,000

Three characters lvl 99 - Safer Sephiroth's HP 170,000 HP ~ HP 190,000

If you use KOTR too on Jenova∙SYNTHESIS, Safer Sephiroth will has 400,000 HP.


Besides, as for these cheap items(Holy Wars, KOTR...), it is not like they appear on our inventory right in the begining or they are just brought from the shop.

We worked to get them so why can't we just use what we were rewarded from our hard work. It is one personally preferences that he or she want a challenges.

right, so for all that hard work of breeding a gold chocobo to get Kotr to defeat ruby and get another gold chocobo isnt cheap? i believe the reward for defeating ruby would be Kotr. how many people here obtained Kotr because they couldnt defeat ruby? and if they dont want a challenge then why even fight ruby? the reward would be something you spent several hours getting already.

basically, why use cheap methods to defeat bosses that are OPTIONAL and intended for a challenge?