Another Kain note, on the blue whale right after the Giant of Babil is destroyed, he states "Finally back to my true self" so he had to be under Golbez's control all along.
Another Kain note, on the blue whale right after the Giant of Babil is destroyed, he states "Finally back to my true self" so he had to be under Golbez's control all along.
maxx power was definetly right. it worked easily on kain because he was jelous which made it very easy to control him to go against cecil. also when kain says "finally back to my true self." i think he means golbez wont be able to control him again and not that he was being controlled all along.
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So Kain and Rosa once were together and this is canon? Hum, very juicy to know.
This would change my perception of the characters deeply.
Going slightly off topic, does the Foundation Guide tell anything about what Barbariccia/Valvalis, the Fiend of Air, felt for Kain? Yesterday I played again through that boss battle and from the words she said, one could easily argue she was in love with him.
O_o what?
I doubt that highly.
It seems the opposite of that to me. In the original and in the PS1 remake it seems they don't like eachother at all. I'm almost at the Tower of Zot though so Square might of had something going on between Kain and Valvalis. Though, they better not of.
I did not play the Playstation version, but a fantranslation (a very famous one) the translators of which claimed their accuracy. And we know some parts of the script haven't remained faithful even in the Playstation version (the speech about Kain's father, for instance). I'll try and get the text for you so you can judge by yourselves, but I remember, from some fanfiction comments I read, that I wasn't the only one to go under this impression.
The J2E translation? Those guys played rather fast and loose with the original script.
The J2e translation of the script did imply that Barbariccia had... feelings for Cain, but as 'Kishi said, they did take several liberties with the script in other places, so they may have done so here as well. However, the Tower of Zot battle is what reveals it. I've only played the J2e translation and the original, myself; can't be arsed with long loading times on the PlayStation.
I had the text from the J2e translation up on my comcast site, but those guys 403'd it so I can't link you to it.
Damn those Comcast people.
And I don't think Kain really had thoughts about betraying Cecil even before Golbez controlled him. He was most likely angry, bitter, and jealous, yes, but I don't believe Kain would really have easily betrayed Cecil, who was like a brother to him, without Golbez' influence.
Just like I don't think he was under Golbez' control after Zot. Afterall, Tellah's Meteo managed to weaken Golbez, so it's entirely possible Big G didn't have enough energy/power left to control him. After all, he was almost defeated by Cecil and his companions in Giott's castle after Rydia rejoins the party. I like to believe that he had not fully recovered from his encounter with Tellah then.
Completely, 100% agree's with you. Oh, and I agree with you about Kain, too.I don't think he ever thought about betraying Cecil before Golbez, too. Now that I think about it, Golbez would of had to use magic on Kain. I mean, what reason would Kain be controlled again if he was jealous of Cecil the first time he was controlled. I get the feeling that Kain was over that by the time he gets controlled again. Unless he never really was over the control. This is becoming a confusing subject for me.
The idea is that Golbeza was able to control Cain because he had those underlying feelings deep inside, even if he never would have acted on them on his own. Same deal with Zemus being able to control Golbeza due to the darkness in his soul.
Kain loves Rosa, but Rosa loves Cecil. Cecil loves Rosa, obviously, giving up the world (the crystals) for her, and so the love triangle just ate into Kain's heart... ah man, I almost feel sorry for him.
I believe it's because Kain was jealous, and that is linked to one of the deadly sins, which is why he was able to be manipulated. Not because he all ready had thoughts to betray Cecil. They are best friends, I think Kain is man enough to know when he's beaten. It's just he was jealous and when he was manipulated, it just brought that out more and more. He wanted Rosa to come back to him on her own, so he tried to one up Cecil through manipulation. He didn't know he was manipulated, but it gave him a chance to do something to attract attention from Rosa.
Maybe he felt like a loser since his best friend was in love with the girl that he loved?
well, it feels like a betrayal on Cecil’s part as well as Rosa’s, and they were the two people he was closest to from a very, very early age. So I can definitely see how those feelings were there for Golbeza to manipulate. I really wish we’d learnt more about Golbeza’s background, though.
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