Attention: The Holocaust didn't happen

[Ultima Kadaj]

that is news that is brainwash crap, if it wasnt true, then WHERE THE HELL ARE ALL OF THEM? theres about a million of them left, just about the smallest race population, what, are they just lackin in people? no, i dont think so. Where the concentration camps harvesting gold and other minerals? bull, helll no. Where the piles of clothes, hair, bodies there for FUN? Hmmm...... nope!

where the HELL did you get that?

[War Angel]

are just as prone to have a triggerhappy recruit with another agenda.

Yes, that happens. Nobody can stop a crazy soldier when he's alone. BUT - to say it's an official Israeli stance (to kill innocents) is outrageous. Evil people exist everywhere, and some are sadly recruited into the Israeli army. I can tell you that the Border Guard (Mishmar Hagvul) has plenty of really nasty bastards - but they do little fighting. Most of what they do is interaction with the population, which means plenty of humiliation and mis-treatment as I've said, but no callous killings.

Yes because a website made by Jewish people for Jewish people would never have a slant on things... it';s like the Jewish Al Jazera. Bad Source.

I just tried to find a suitable link. The movies are there, and it states the topic - that's all. Really, do watch those movies, they shed quite a bit of light on things and your 'objective media'.

You watch the news, you listen to peers, people are not immune to subliminal propaganda.

No, no, you don't seem to understand what I meant by SEE. I've BEEN there, on several occasions. I've seen the nasty border-guard troops I've mentioned before, I've seen pissy Palestinians, and yes, I've heard plenty of stories from soldiers. That's not media, news, or tall tales. That's just long talks with other blokes like me while on guard duty, who spent more time in different places than me.

No one is changing & if no one changes this will never end.

This is almost true. Only, it was clearly one side who said 'NO' to peace and compromise too many times to count, and it wasn't the Israelis.

what makes you think only one is fired?

Knowing the technicalities of the missile itself (which I could go into, if you like), it is extremely unlikely that more than one was fired. The collateral damage is caused by cars loaded with weapons, ammunition and explosives, gas, and low-quality building.

The Terrorists kill innocents, Israeli Army Kill innocents,

True, only the first targets innocents, while the second avoids killing them as much as it can.

I think they should target entire blocks, along with mosques, but hey that's just me.

Anger and blood-thirstiness are not the proper ways to conduct a war. At least, that's not what I think is right. Blowing up mosques won't achieve anything but enrage the enemy, and rightfully so. The Israeli army has thus-far managed to maintain a moral high-ground - it should not spoil that by acting like the terrorists themselves.

Target entire blocks, and eventually people will say "Hmm, if we stop supporting these suicide bombers, if we stop letting them do it, we won't get our homes destroyed. Sounds like a good idea."

Not going to work. Remember that whole house demolition thing? Israel thought that if they'd wreck the house of a suicide bomber, it would prevent future bombers from actually blowing up. It proved useless. Arabs are fierce, and desperate Arabs are downright fanatical. When in war, care little material other than the blood of their enemies. They'd fight to the bitter end. Pushing them to desperation is wrong.

If you support them, you become them.

They already know that, and it's true. That still doesn't mean that Israel is going to start blowing everything up because of suspected terrorism support. They'd be carpet-bombing then, indeed.

[FutureEmperor]

I think they should target entire blocks, along with mosques, but hey that's just me.

This comment acctually scares me, I cant think with that mentallity, tell me sasquatch if a person came to your hometown, blew up your church and your childhood house and killed all the people that you remember as a child, would you think, hey maybe those people have a point and i should just give up...


Also i would like to point out that while there is honour in the military, there is no honour in killing, ANYTYPE of killing.


Finnally i do not think of myself nieve because i think that people could live together in peace and harmony, i think of others as lazy, think about it all we would have to do is give up the grudges, and stop killing other human beings, and just think to yourself could i kill a human being (imagine your hands around thier throat and thier eyes gazing into yours, you probably cant do it, thats how hard it is to kill a person, so why do we do it?) so if its that easy not to kill then why do we still fight. i believe that people who say that it is nieve to think of world peace are people who A) like to kill (sadistic) B)Fear the unknown and believe the inaccurate propaganda which is the media, and C) are too lazy to even try (heck the most common excuse that i hear is, it wont work because there are other people out there who wont stop the hate, ) that excuse sucks because if every one stoped then there wouldnt be anybody out there that would hurt you. Makes sense huh, and if you say no, then i ask you why do you want people to die?


Finally i also believe that if you bomb a persons house they will want to bomb your house (an eye for an eye). But i also believe that it works in reverse, if you build a house for someone, they will feel in debt to you and build you a house. The cycle of death has to be broken and it could be, what reason would the terrorist have if Isreal started being nice to palestine? Think about the terrorist would be hated by all sides and would truely be enemies to humanity, perspective would change for everyone. Its that easy. and its cheaper too, war is expensive as hell, building a house is definately alot cheaper.

[Giga Guess]

I know one of our Albertans spoke of much the same thing to classes he taught....Ernst Zundel....didn't have a very long career, shockingly enough.

[The Man]

I think the UN needs to call all the leaders of the world together and read to them Dr. Seuss's 'The Butter Battle'. Then discuss how the story relateds to their frivilous troubles like a 2nd grade class.

That would be the best thing ever.

[Despotus]

But I have to say one of the biggest blunders of the 20th century was to give the displaced jews their own country in the middle east, not because of what it is. but because of where it is. They gave a land that is holy to many religions, to people of a certain religion.

I never saw the reason, for example, imagine giving Washington DC back to England and New York city back to the Nedtherlands, simply because history said that these areas once belonged to those countries. Many Americans would be up in arms at this, much of thier national pride is in these two cities, and yet they were taken away without their concent and given to another group of peoples who have no more claim to it than the US.

No western country wanted to give an inch of land to the Isrealis, and so they gave them land that wasn't theirs, and now all we have is bloodshed, if anything The area that is now Isreal should have been made neutral territory guarded by a multicultural defence force so that peoples from all religions and nationalities could visit it in peace. But No once again logic fails.

Agreed. I always state this as my opinion on the situation in the Middle East. We, the victorious Allies, along with the U.N. created the horror that now exists in the Middle East. The Jews should have been given their own country, absolutely, because they have been thrown to the wind and forced to wander for centuries; but I.M.H.O. that country should have been given to them by the very country that put them through the attrocities of the Holocaust, Germany. It's a no-brainer, duh!! As restitution, many reparations should have been made by the defeated Nazi Germans, including the loss of a nice chunk of territory in order to create a Jewish Nation of Israel.

I also like the idea FutureEmperor shared with us regarding the preservation of those cities which are holy to 3 different, major religions as international cities for the benefit of all members of those religions. They should never belong to just one group. Doesn't anyone remember the Crusades???:rolleyes2

[Shoeberto]

Yes let's revive old old threads please.


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