Exactly, lets face it the entire world isnt ready for Spirit Within type movies yet, thats why Square marketed AC towards Final Fantasy fans, and guess what, instant mullah, it sold a boat load of copies in Japan in its first week, dont feel guilty for liking AC for its little lack of plot and for its action, just accept the fact that we dont all need to have a hidden message pummeled into us by a movie thats meant to entertain.
Actually, the point of this thread is that we LIKE the fact that the movie had deeper meaning and would have preferred that Advent Children would have too.
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I don't think the spirits within was deep at all, the characters were particularly simplistic. The characters were typical of your average american movie, and it was clearly made that way in an attempt to draw in a wider audience. If Square would of thought more about the movie appealing to final fantasy fans rather than trying to make it appeal to much wider audience,and americanizing the film as much as they did,I very much doubt the movie would have failed quite so badly.
By that thinking, they need to release Advent Children theatrically, as the FF fan base would make so much more money for Square than TSW did. :rolleyes2Originally Posted by Anaisa
Most FF fans DID go see TSW. They may not have liked it, but they paid money to see it. It was nonfans that stayed away, mostly due to the fact that video game movies generally suck. And with no big names, which is a must for the average film to succeed in the US, there was no possible way for the film to make big bank. It was a huge risk and though I really liked the film, I never understood why they put that much money into it.
I liked the movie. Yes, the characters and a few themes are a tad generic. But, there was still some emotion to the film. And I definately like it better that Advent Children.
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It all depends on how much money they spend on producing it etc and how much they get back, as you said, they put far too much money into the spirits within. My suggestion that Square should have thought more about it appealing to the final fantasy fan base on a financial level is based on what they should have been considering with the budget. They shouldn't have banked on non fans of final fantasy going to see it.
Personally, I think its immaterial why it didnt make the money it should have. Im speaking of the quality, or in some peoples opinions the lack of it. Initially I did not like General hein as even his design makes him look like a second cousin to snidely whiplash. But after a few more viewings I thought he was a decent character that definitely followed the road to hell one good intention at a time.
And as for another AC/SW comparison, I complain alot about Nomura ripping off wuxia, john woo films, and anime in making AC, I'd just like to clarify that its not the ripping off parts I dislike, its the hideous direction he applied to it. Sakaguchi imitated miyazaki's style of establishing a happy vibe then creating a plot twist that sends all those happy vibes straight to hell, but he did it with a competent and steady hand.
And did anyone else notice that ving rhames and alec baldwins character's had the same names, or how alecs character flinched when ving mentioned his father's body was somewhere amidst the wreckage of that failed mission? Sakaguchi just loves to subtly hint at family relations amongst his characters doesnt he?
True enough. I can back you there.
What's funny was that Square designed all this new technology to pretty much be the adult Pixar. Lots of original titles, using state-of-the-art CGI. The character models would serve as actors, playing multiple roles in different movies. Problem is, they blew their load the first outing AND claimed that it was based on a video game, with no sure guarantee that they'd succeed. Good movie, horrible marketing plan.
Okay, now you're just making crap up. Either that or you know NOTHING of the movie you claim to love.
MAIN CAST OF FF: THE SPIRITS WITHIN
Ming-Na .... Dr. Aki Ross
Alec Baldwin .... Capt. Gray Edwards
Ving Rhames .... Sgt. Ryan Whitaker
Steve Buscemi .... Officer Neil Fleming
Peri Gilpin .... Officer Jane Proudfoot
Donald Sutherland .... Dr. Cid
James Woods .... General Hein
Last edited by Winter Nights; 12-30-2005 at 08:27 PM.
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Now hold up, Im certain both their names were edwards and have seen multiple dramatis personelle that state they both had the same name, I dont have the listings right now, but I'll find them soon. but I do NOT make [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img] up nor do I appreciate the accusation.
Umm.. I own the Special Edition DVD and just watched it again 2 weeks ago. That cast list is right.
Further proof: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0173840/
EDIT: Also..
http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/contri...57/filmography
Also.. The scene where Ryan said, "My father's in there, somewhere." The camera was panned in right on him. I don't believe Gray was even in the shot, let alone flinching.
Last edited by Winter Nights; 12-30-2005 at 09:22 PM.
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You OWN the special DVD edition, to save money next time, just tape it on the si fi channel, it comes on every so often at like 1 in the morning.
30 mil was spent on the marketing of Spirits Within btw.
Umm.. I bought it when it came out 4 YEARS AGO. You can't buy the Special Edition anymore. They packaged Disk 1 by itself and are selling that now. I wouldn't buy THAT. Disk 2 is what made the package so great. They went all out with special features. Which was saying alot 4 years ago.
And why is it so surprising that I bought a DVD of a movie I really liked? What a dumb thing to laugh over. You gonna wait til Advent Children debuts on Sci-Fi and tape it? Somehow, I doubt it.
Last edited by Winter Nights; 12-30-2005 at 10:44 PM.
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You're gonna hate me for this.
about two years back, after I bought my PS2 (which was also my first DVD player) I soon after found the special edition of SW on sale at a second hand store... for $4.00 even. in perfect condition as well. Up until that point I simply owned the vhs version.
Take it easy, one mans trash is anothers holy grail, $4.00 is a whopper meal at burger king to me. And I will probably go out and buy AC when it comes to the U.S whenever that is.
I already own it, I got hooked up with the edition that came with the last order OVA as well from my contacts in chinatown. Sadly I dont know anyone who will by by english dub-less copy so Im probably stuck with it.
Maybe bbomber will take it off your hands?
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