Quote Originally Posted by Ishin Ookami
I : Light warriors, time quest, four elemental beasts.
II : Orphans, empire, story worth a damn
III : orphans empire, job system and crystals.
IV : Crystals, Darth Vader becoming good again style plot, best friend being manipulated because of his jealousy, Cecil's amnesia about his roots, rydia's angst and eventual maturing,
V : Crystals, expanded job structure, story got scaled back.
VI : large cast, well detailed, memorable villain, world goes to hell, reassembling the party
I'm talking about the narrative structure of the story. The crystal theme does repeat several times; basic exposition, foil a minor enemy scheme, meet new characters, chase villains and/or solutions, maybe somebody dies, expound on philosophical themes...it's basically the same for every game. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, as long as the story's executed well. But by no means did FFVI set any standards for anything. In that sense, neither did VII; it simply proved they could be applied on a far larger scale than before. The scale was basically the standard; the story just happened to be exceptionally well-executed as well.

Havnt played Xenogears have you? not only amnsia, but schizo and the alternate persona is the dominant one, has the powers of a demigod and wants to kill everything and everyone in existance. fei's issues make cloud look like a guest star on sesame street.
Yes, I've played Xenogears. Keep in mind that it came out over a year after FFVII. Cloud's personality conflict almost caused the same level of destruction as Deus; the sole difference is that Id performed the dirty work himself, while Cloud's other personality merely aided Sephiroth. If he'd remained under the control of Sephiroth, nothing would have been left to stop him from absorbing the entire Lifestream. There are very few forces in any science fiction or fantasy universe that could hope to take him on in that state. Fei's issues don't make Cloud look like a guest star on Sesame Street; they're roughly comparable, with Fei perhaps having a slight edge in the f**ked-up department. Though I will remind you that Sesame Street introduced an HIV-positive muppet in 2002.

Lets not even talk bout the 32-bit gen, Cecil from FFIV killed people willingly, and only followed through with his doubts when he had to slit the throat of a child crying over the dead body of her mother who cecil killed (he knew he was carrying a bomb BTW). His best friend and mentor betrays him in an attempt to win over Rosa, whom he's always loved and thought he should have since he was the stronger one. His brother is out to destroy the world, his father is a spirit who he only meets once in his little spiritual rebirth. Hell, Rydia herself had to fight by the side of the man who killed her family. Thats gotta do some things to the mind now shouldnt it?
Yeah, it will, but being experimented on and tortured is infinitely more traumatic. Direct physical and psychological torture is ALWAYS more intense than mere emotional pain from losing loved ones or some such thing. About killing people, Cloud was a mercenary; killing people willingly was his job, so that argument's dead in the water.

Want something a bit more current? Laharl from disgaea is the overlord of the underworld who has prinny's (penguins housing human souls serving pennance for sins) as his slaves. The one prinny he worked the hardest, and was the cruelest too he eventually learned was the reincarnation of his mothers spirit, serving time for her suicide which she performed to save his life, incidently, he became such a heartless bastard after her suicide, since his father couldnt stop her from killing herself, and he loved her so much. He learns this when he see's the spirit of his mother, leave to be reincarnated after she's served her pennance, on the night of a red moon. and the script just says "he looked towards the red moon for hours, silently, never moving". Gee, I somehow dont think he was contemplating the next days schedule.
That would definitely hurt. I've had friends who've been through similar ordeals, minus all the reincarnation. But despite its pain, that's simple angst, nothing more. People like Cloud and Fei have actualy been physically and mentally altered by outside forces as part of grand schemes to subvert the entire planet, and eventually, the rest of the universe.