Evangelical view on the occult .

[Future Esthar]

[QUOTE]That's basically what he said. The demons posessing people leave when someone does something occult-like so that people believe that works and will continue to use it. Its a trick to bring them into that unholy occult practice, making them think they are doing good by it.

Now don't resort to petty squabbling.
[QUOTE]

That is what I said.For Evangelicals,Occult practices are ungodly.

Explanation for the council(LOL):

The big Ellone we see is not Ellone (little) but a machine which imitates her.

[Emery]

What ????? Big Ellone robot imitating.... ....what

[Future Esthar]

Ellone

[Discord]

So basically, you mean my baby, Ellonator?

[Zell>Everything]

He is saying the adult Ellone, as opposed to the Ellone seen in flashbacks, is in fact a cyborg. i believe here he is getting confused-he wsas thrown by Junction Machine Ellone, and believes when Odine held Ellone prisoner as a child, his research resulted in a replicant beoing built- the "Big Ellone" seen in the present day portions of the game.

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

See what he's saying here? If they use a Godly practice, its more likely to work. If they use something else, a demon can make it look like it worked to confuse/trick them into continuing to use that other practice. No research is required. I'm not saying he's right or wrong. I'm just rephrasing what he's saying.

Its not about trying to look smart. I'm trying to save you and everyone else that doesn't know Future Esthar from wasting their time. If you're going to debate, none of this "I'm right" crap. You're not going to get the last word in, in an argument, and his sense of logic is unusual at best, so you're likely to not even understand his arguments to debate them on.

I'm not the one looking full of myself. Just trying to be helpful. But for the record, "squabbling" isn't the most educated word. I don't get how you felt I was using that with some sort of intellectual superiority complex, but whatever.

Ur not getting it! I've been around evangelicals, ok? And this is complete BS! What he says is not right! That is not the purpose or desire of Satan at all! He is not rying to convince ppl into thinking that their practices are working. He would show them that they were not working and make them have doubt about God's existence. Geez, and no he said if they used an occult practice and it worked they would think it was Godly so that would make them believe more in God. Think please!

And I thank u for being helpful.

[Discord]

Yeah, they just need more bananas in FF to prove the existance of the player.

[Future Esthar]

He is not rying to convince ppl into thinking that their practices are working.

Of course.I never said otherwise.
All occult practices are from Satan but he wanna to convince people that they are from God.

He is saying the adult Ellone, as opposed to the Ellone seen in flashbacks, is in fact a cyborg.

Of course.

[Emery]

Well....*cough* I think Im lost here...:rolleyes2

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

That's not what u are saying!!! ::gathers himself:: satan would not want them to think that they are from God. that would reverse what he's trying to accomplish since if they thought it was from God they would belive more in God. Satan is not trying to do that!

[Future Esthar]

You are so wrong.Satan´s main objective is not atheism.
It is to be worshiped like God.

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

But he is not being worshipped in doing this! ppl think this is God's doing so they worship God and not Satan. doesn't matter if satan is the one doing this because he is not the one being worshipped for it. and he does not want ppl do worship God! he wants ppl do worship him. i know this stuff! i never said anything about atheism.

[Future Esthar]

But occult practices are unbiblical and Satan wanna people to sin.
People then sin because they base it on observations and not the Bible(people must not take God´s name in vain).

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

but it is not in vain! they are using these practices with good intentions thus making satan have no progress on his goal.

[Future Esthar]

Are you saying that you don´t believe Satan don´t do these things on Demonic possession? (regardless of his intentions).