Hero Grand Tournament Round 17: Celes vs. Taki

[Zante]

You just said what makes those two heroes, plus a hero doesn't necesary have to be good, imho. But whatewer, if Void sais they don't count, I'm not going to argue.

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

By heroes, I'm saying generally good characters. Vader is out because he's considered a villain and will thus be in the Villain Grand Tournament. Sephiroth is DEFINITELY out because he's an event join that you can't control and eventually have to fight at the end, kind of like Edea and Seifer.

And I have no idea who any of the ones that Pram posted are.

[Mercen-X]

www.gameflaws.com/cavestory/characters

What is Cave Story?

A somewhat new sidescrolling game from Pixel. The gameplay plays like a combination of various NES/Famicom games like Metroid, Castlevania, Megaman, Blaster Master, and Monster Mash.

According to the site, Quote is a robot and Curly Brace is his sidekick.
Balrog is some kind of blocky henchman of the bad guy so he is disqualified anyway.

I’d gladly vote for Quote if I hadn’t used up all mine.

[raskerino]

I'm assuming the answer is no way (duh) but hear me through:

In Shadow of the Colossus (SPOILER)the main guy lets out the creature Dormin, so the seals holding it in were arguably the good guys. Thus the main Colossus (16th) could be considered the ultimate hero- though that game didn't really have a hero. I know this doesn't make much sense but I think it would be cool to have a colossi anyone of them in this tournament, whether it makes sense or not.

[Mercen-X]

No.

There have been only 79 acceptable submissions so far and the most popular characters have been Cloud, Mario, Sora, Link, & Crono.

That little piece of Trivia doesn't mean anything. I just thought someone might like to know.

[Pheesh]

actually, sora's only been voted once. Knuckles is more popular than him at this stage.

Stay Essential
EE

[Raistlin]

You have to have at least a few characters from good RPGs.

1. Flik (Suikoden II)
2. Viktor (Suikoden II)
3. Luc (Suikoden II)
4. Jowy (Suikoden II)
5. McDohl (Suikoden I/II - he's available in II with the same magic and stuff, so whichever)
6. Geddoe (Suikoden III)
7. Alex (Lunar: SSSC)
8. Ghaleon (Lunar: SSSC)*
9. Orlandu/T.G. Cid (FFT)
10. Since Dr Unne probably won't ever see this, I'm going to vote Black Wizard from FF1 for him.


*Might not be applicable, but you DO control him for a while. And he's a badass mage character.

[I Took the Red Pill]

1. Serge (Chrono Cross)
2. Earthworm Jim (Earthworm Jim)
3. Auron (FFX)
4. Cloud (FF7)
5. Fayt Leingod (Star Ocean: TTEOT)
6. Ratchet (Ratchet and Clank)
7. Dante (Devil May Cry)
8. Yangus (DragonQuest VIII)
9. Montblanc (FFTA: Advance)
10. Yoshimitsu (Soul Caliber Series)

[Neco Arc]

(SD3 stands for Seiken Densetsu 3; BOF stands for Breath of Fire)

1) Hawk (SD3) - Nightblade
2) Duran (SD3) - Duelist or Paladin
3) Kevin (SD3) - Death Hand or Dervish
4) Angela (SD3) - Grand Devina or Rune Master
5) Lise (SD3) - Fenrir Knight, Star Lancer or Dragon Master
6) Carlie (SD3) - Bishop or Necromancer
7) Ryu (BOF2)
8) Bleu (BOF2)
9) Ark (Terranigma)
10) Issac (Golden Sun 1 & 2)
11) Donkey Kong (Donkey Kong)
12) Celes (FFVI)
13) Terra (FFVI)
14) Megaman (Megaman X series)
15) Zero (Megaman X series)

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

I'm going to allow the Collosi for the Villain Grand Tournament and the main character as a hero from Shadow of the Collosus.

[?????]

This sounds more like a popularity contest than an actual contest of strength to me, because a contest of strength isn't decided by votes, but by power. If you want to hold a realistic power contest, you must require people to post a rational justification for their choice, and you must also allow for uber-powerful moves. Fighters in real life don't hold back their strongest moves just because it wouldn't be fair. Take Mitsurugi from the Soul Edge/Calibur series. He's an excellent martial artist with a sweet collection of swords, but he isn't going to win against Sephiroth, unless he's been severely nerfed, as he was in Ehrgeiz and Itadaki Street Special for the sake of game mechanics. He couldn't win against a non-nerfed Link, either; the amount of force it takes to push stone blocks of the sheer size that Link manages would automatically net him the world bench-pressing record literally hundreds of times over. (I have taken density into account, based on the architectural styles of several of the temples, but even if the stone were of the lightest density found in geology, the end result would still come out in Link's favor.) In a realistic rendition of Soul Calibur II, Link would easily and invariably wipe the floor with every single combatant in the series, suffering a few scratches at the most. Spawn could perhaps defeat him; I'm unfamiliar with Spawn's canon abilities save for his large axe, but comic books tend to feature unbelievably powerful characters as a matter of course.

As far as "realistic" factors go, some characters are explicitly depicted surviving multiple gunshots, directed energy hits, very powerful magic attacks, stabbings, and so forth without any substantial decrease in their combat abilities, because they're just that damned tough. Characters in fighting games might be strong, but most of them can't survive a direct attack from an arrow or a gun. I believe the term you're looking for is analysis by "suspension of disbelief" where the story in question is treated as documentary footage. As far as games go, everything that happens in real time is considered to be valid evidence to demonstrate a character's strength.

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

One of the reasons why some characters defeat others is because they are indeed more powerful than the others. That's just the way it goes. I take into consideration what all of the characters do and portray it in as best a way as is possible. I've done it before, I will do it again, people will disagree with some of my decisions but since I'm the one choosing the write the story I claim the ability to be able to interpret character abilities as I will.

I generally don't have characters "hold back" more than need be. They fight at the level they need to fight to win, which may be less than what they are capable of. If you can defeat your opponent with a quarter of your energy, why use it all?

And I know characters are explicitly described as surviving such attacks. I also know that if you get shot or stabbed in an FMV, you die, even if you'd just survived all sorts of horrid attacks just prior to the moment.

The way I generally choose to interpret a character's toughness is their ability to turn aside a fatal blow. If any character gets hit in the heart, I still consider it to be pretty much fatal. That doesn't mean that characters aren't skilled enough to dodge or block, however.

[?????]

One of the reasons why some characters defeat others is because they are indeed more powerful than the others. That's just the way it goes. I take into consideration what all of the characters do and portray it in as best a way as is possible. I've done it before, I will do it again, people will disagree with some of my decisions but since I'm the one choosing the write the story I claim the ability to be able to interpret character abilities as I will.

I generally don't have characters "hold back" more than need be. They fight at the level they need to fight to win, which may be less than what they are capable of. If you can defeat your opponent with a quarter of your energy, why use it all?

And I know characters are explicitly described as surviving such attacks. I also know that if you get shot or stabbed in an FMV, you die, even if you'd just survived all sorts of horrid attacks just prior to the moment.

The way I generally choose to interpret a character's toughness is their ability to turn aside a fatal blow. If any character gets hit in the heart, I still consider it to be pretty much fatal. That doesn't mean that characters aren't skilled enough to dodge or block, however.

Fair enough. Though characters don't always die from being shot or stabbed in a vital organ, even in FMVs, but in those cases they usually end up knocked out, which could be counted as a victory.

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

If you'll read over some of my past tournaments, characters don't always die.

Although the villains usually kill each other. All that power + no desire to keep an opponent alive does much for the death rate.

[Suikojowy]

I trust that this won't just turn into a popularity contest and will indeed be very fun. Hopefully this will be like the rpgdl, in which people actually seem to vote for who would win rather than their favourite character.

EDIT: Ah nm. I mis-read, this won't be a voting thing ^_^.

1. Tir McDohl (Suikoden 1/2) - High Speed and a very accurate insta-death skill which most PC's would be vulnerable to. If his "hell" skill is banned, he also has "judgement" which is also pretty devastating. Did I mention his high speed?
2. Ryu (BoF3 version) - Going for bof3 because his dragon transformations in this game are a lot more versatile and powerful. He also has the ability to heal.
3. Yuna (FFX) - It all depends if she's allowed to summon. With healing, powerful summons at her disposal and a potent attack spell I don't see her doing too badly.
4. Beatrix (FFIX) - Strong fighter. Good Seiken techniques and the ability to keep herself healed easily.
. Yuri (Shadow Hearts) - Devastating fusions. Namely Amon and Seraphic Radiance
5. T.G Cid (FFT) - Awesome stats and a wide variety of sword skills.
6. Ryudo (Grandia II) - Strong sword skills, as well as a powerful sword (granasaber). Not only that but he has a variety of spells at his disposal.
7. Riou (Suikoden 2) - Very agile and skilled. He also various healing and support spells to back him up (and one very powerful attack spell).
8. Crono (CT) - A brilliant all rounder. Although he is hindered by his limitation to thunder magic.
9. Zidane (ff9) :rolleyes2 even if he'd get slaughtered i'm nominating him purely because I like him. Sorry


I'll be adding more later.

Sorry if I wasn't allowed to add the little write ups. I'd just like to give my nomination reasons.