The other possessed shumis.

[Zanius]

I already knew that... I mean saying that the monsters were after Ellone in Whinhill... doesn't make any sense....

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

i know u knew. im saying at least u know the truth unlike FE who keeps rambling on about incoherent stuff.

[dante the demon prince]

what does incoherent mean exactly

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

incoherent: lacking cohesion, *connection*, or harmony.(astericks means that's the definition i used).

[Future Esthar]

My theories weren´t incoherent.

And it makes no real sense to say they went to Winhill for that.At least no in FF8.
I played the game many,many times,went to many places and my experience says its bulshet.
Where else and when else do you find monsters entering a city to raid it?
You can only refer to Winhill and Esthar after the Lunar cry(which is Winhill on the future by the way).Where else?Actually the natural behaviour of a monster on FF8 is not to raid a town (unless their personal researcher let them into).

[Noj_R]

My theories weren´t incoherent.

And it makes no real sense to say they went to Winhill for that.At least no in FF8.
I played the game many,many times,went to many places and my experience says its bulshet.
Where else and when else do you find monsters entering a city to raid it?
You can only refer to Winhill and Esthar after the Lunar cry(which is Winhill on the future by the way).Where else?Actually the natural behaviour of a monster on FF8 is not to raid a town (unless their personal researcher let them into).

The reason monsters went into Winhill was cause there was no men to protect it, I believe Raine said that herself. THAT is proof. Laguna then patrols the town and rids the town of the nuisances, after that no more monsters. Simple as that.

Of course there will be monsters in Esthar! A freakin moon "Tear" full of monsters landed right next to it! The monsters do this pariodically, no one is controlling it ( no, not Odine or Hyne ). I believe the Tutorial explains this clearly...

So there is some solid in-game proof for ya. Someone besides FE tell me if I'm wrong...

[Future Esthar]

So why weren´t monsters going into Balamb also?
I never heard of Balamb soldiers.
Or into shumi village?
And there were soldiers on Esthar.

Now,will monsters think:
Hey,this city is well protected so let´s not raid it?
Animals don´t do this on our world.

Also,the village is still unprotected on third disc isn´t it?

So much evidence against in one thread.

On the other hand monsters were helping Odine to get a hold of Ellone along with the Esthar dudes.
They also try to help Adel on her way to the palace on third disc.

That´s evidence.

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

The reason monsters went into Winhill was cause there was no men to protect it, I believe Raine said that herself. THAT is proof. Laguna then patrols the town and rids the town of the nuisances, after that no more monsters. Simple as that.

Of course there will be monsters in Esthar! A freakin moon "Tear" full of monsters landed right next to it! The monsters do this pariodically, no one is controlling it ( no, not Odine or Hyne ). I believe the Tutorial explains this clearly...

So there is some solid in-game proof for ya. Someone besides FE tell me if I'm wrong...

THANK YOU! that is what i was about to reply but u beat me to it and i thnk u.

So why weren´t monsters going into Balamb also?
I never heard of Balamb soldiers.
Or into shumi village?
And there were soldiers on Esthar.

Now,will monsters think:
Hey,this city is well protected so let´s not raid it?
Animals don´t do this on our world.

Also,the village is still unprotected on third disc isn´t it?

So much evidence against in one thread.

On the other hand monsters were helping Odine to get a hold of Ellone along with the Esthar dudes.
They also try to help Adel on her way to the palace on third disc.

That´s evidence.

one, balamb garden was right next to balamb so they could very easily take monsters out if they entered the city and wouldn't it be kind of obvious that they would've set up guards at the entrance to preent a monster attack? with shumi village, i don't think monsters can open elevator doors. with esthar, have u forgotten about the lunar cry? tons of monsters raining down right next to esthar? of course they are going to get into esthar! we have already proven that the monsters were not working for Odine and were not helping him to capture ellone. he had esthar soldiers for that!

[Future Esthar]

A little late,no?
I already debunked that argument(post 52).

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

i posted 2 minutes after that, u can't say im late to argue because i have the right to provide info that makes sense.

[Future Esthar]

You forgot to mention about Winhill on third disc.

By the way,the elevators on shumi village are automatic and one just needs to seat around to get it down.And why aren´t there monsters at the surface "igloo" by the way?

And there is no evidence of Garden students being sent regularly to save the city from monsters.I think that would need them to stay there actually.

we have already proven that the monsters were not working for Odine and were not helping him to capture ellone.

Were?On this little time I had been giving a little proof and you zero proof.

[Noj_R]

So why weren´t monsters going into Balamb also?
I never heard of Balamb soldiers.
Or into shumi village?
And there were soldiers on Esthar.

Now,will monsters think:
Hey,this city is well protected so let´s not raid it?
Animals don´t do this on our world.

Also,the village is still unprotected on third disc isn´t it?

So much evidence against in one thread.

Ok, Esthar has HUGE ass monsters attacking after the lunar cry, right? And the monsters arent there the rest of the game, only until the pandora leaves, right? The Estharans ( or whatever :rolleyes2 ) fought them off eventually.

Ok next, Balamb has...hmmm...Flys and skates on the beach, these are teeny tiny monsters near Balamb. And like Heero Yuy NWZC said earlier ( thx for the compliment too ), there is a garden full of trained mercenaries, plus Balamb has MEN in it, Winhill had NONE ( save Laguna, but that was later). So I think we can all agree men in Balamb and a mercenary camp can handle some flies right? Ok good, makin progress!

Shumi village is underground. Monsters cannot get in. Plus Norg is a shumi and he was a hardcore warrior, a whole village of these things could easily decimate any rams or snow lions nearby...Pwned, next on the agenda:

On the other hand monsters were helping Odine to get a hold of Ellone along with the Esthar dudes.
They also try to help Adel on her way to the palace on third disc.

That´s evidence.

If the Estharans and Odine were controlling the monsters, why did they attack Esthar...??? Whos controlling who???

Your thread, your theories! Defend yourself! Enguard!

You need to explain the evidence pertaining the shumi possession theory after all the thread is about your theories...I provided evidence for your objections, now its time you return the favor and give me some proof since you have given none the whole time

Answer me this: What evidence is there that the shumis and Odine(Hyne) are possessing people? Its very simple, all I want is an explanation...

[Future Esthar]

If the Estharans and Odine were controlling the monsters, why did they attack Esthar...??? Whos controlling who???

The Estharians weren´t controlling monsters.Only Odine.

Also,the shumis don´t possess anyone.

And please reply to post 56.

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

You forgot to mention about Winhill on third disc.

By the way,the elevators on shumi village are automatic and one just needs to seat around to get it down.And why aren´t there monsters at the surface "igloo" by the way?

And there is no evidence of Garden students being sent regularly to save the city from monsters.I think that would need them to stay there actually.



Were?On this little time I had been giving a little proof and you zero proof.

who said garden students? i didn't, i just said that the city can set up guards. i was pretty sure u have to sit down on the chairs in the elevator to get it going. and monsters aren't in the igloo probabaly because the shumis there fend them off or there is a door/airlock thing at the entrnce to the igloo. im pretty sure they wouldn't have a hole for an entrance. i have given u so much proof u don't know how to handle it, punk!

[Noj_R]

The Estharians weren´t controlling monsters.Only Odine. Also,the shumis don´t possess anyone.

And please reply to post 56.

No... Im replying to this post...

Ok shumis are the ones being possessed but you shouldnt avoid my valid questions in post 57. I gave you proof, now its your turn!