The "Is Rinoa really you know who" Post- (Spoiler)

[Fatal Impurity]

if you remember the last scene (just after the final battle and just before the last fmv) youll remember squall ends up back at the orphanage and sees edea get her powers and he also meets a past version of himself aswell which means that the game is actually a closed circle paradox!

[Sir Bahamut]

Since obviously people don't usually read the entire 15 post topic before posting, I'll reiterate myself:

1) Rinoa cannot live long enough to become Ultimecia, who lives hundreds of years into the future. And no, crackpot theories involving timetravelling or being frozen down in the Sorceress Memorial doesn't count as anything but crackpot theories.

2) For a breakdown of the whole theory, all it's flaws and supposedly good arguments, please read the Time/Ultimecia Plot FAQ here:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/game/197343.html

Please, before coming with more 'arguments' from websites, just at least skim through the Ultimecia section there.

[Fatal Impurity]

rinoa is not ultimecia, but she is a weak-ass character!

[TheSpoonyBard]

Yep. A "weak-ass" character with the 2nd or 3rd best Limit Break in the game.

[Fatal Impurity]

good limit break, weak-ass character and someone who most definately could never in all the of her life could ever be as powerful as ultimecia...

[Lychon]

good limit break, weak-ass character and someone who most definately could never in all the of her life could ever be as powerful as ultimecia...

This is a very good point, but once again, we can't know for sure. Just like the fabled appearance of Luigi in Super Mario 64, the R=U debate seems destined for posterity...or at least until people get bored of this thread, since I now remember how many threads there already are dealing with the same thing, lol.

[Winter Nights]

I would also like to point out that the final fmv bit does nothing to convince me of the "truth" in the R=U theory.. Especially since they look nothing alike. Their facial structures are completely different. It proves nothing.

Plus, as stated before, Sorceresses have normal life spans and Ultimecia is said to live "generations into the future".

It's not remotely possible. The only thing that keeps this theory going is fanboys that want to claim they know the "truth".

[Ashley Schovitz]

They're not the same person but Rinoa did inheret her powers so she should've been able to take her on by herself. The cycle goes Ultimecia dies, Edea takes Ulteimecia's powers, Ultimecia gains control over Edea, years later. Edea's powers are given to Rinoa, gets possesed and unpossed and Squall and the party go to defeat Ultimecia which she dies and Edea takes her powers again at the orphanage.

[Noj_R]

I would also like to point out that the final fmv bit does nothing to convince me of the "truth" in the R=U theory.. Especially since they look nothing alike. Their facial structures are completely different. It proves nothing.

Plus, as stated before, Sorceresses have normal life spans and Ultimecia is said to live "generations into the future".

It's not remotely possible. The only thing that keeps this theory going is fanboys that want to claim they know the "truth".

I agree. Square has said themselves ( this is indisputable evidence ), sorceresses live normal lifespans and Ulti is years down the road. I dont know what started the R=U theory anyway, there is no evidence. You can claim there is, but the truth is it is all circumstantial and is probably out of context.

Though it does give Ulti motivation if she is rinoa for time compression. She wants to compress time so Squall can be there in the present forever with her. But that makes no sense either considering she doesnt even know squall when she sees him...

Square's evidence obviously debunks it, but there is just enough stuff to get noobs jumping around in excitement at the thought of this revelation the minute they see a thread pertaining to it.

And thats what keeps the theory alive...

[Jessweeee♪]

Rinoa is only weak if you let her. She was part of my super party.

as far as the R=U theory, i think it is all symbolism!

Griever represents Squall, in the little piece of land there isolated by himself.
Griever is the protector of Ultimecia.
So Ultimecia/Griever symbolize Rinoa/Squall.
Rinoa is not ultimecia, but ultimecia merely resembles her.

[Doublehex]

And yet there are those guys who do tons of scientific research on time loops and crap liek taht to keep the theory alive.

I tried reading one today and I felt like I was in science class.

[Noj_R]

Rinoa is only weak if you let her. She was part of my super party.

as far as the R=U theory, i think it is all symbolism!

Griever represents Squall, in the little piece of land there isolated by himself.
Griever is the protector of Ultimecia.
So Ultimecia/Griever symbolize Rinoa/Squall.
Rinoa is not ultimecia, but ultimecia merely resembles her.

yeah, thats about as far as it can go. But I dont think Rinoa even remotely resembles Ulti.

[Mittopotahis]

There is no way Rinoa is Lord Voldemort. Its just not possible.

[Christmas]

good limit break, weak-ass character and someone who most definately could never in all the of her life could ever be as powerful as ultimecia...

She is??????

But I still believe in this.

That's debatable

The truth is... Jenova is Ultimecia.
Yep, FFVII's 'background villain' is actually Ultimecia.
There is IRREFUTABLE PROOF in both games.

Jenova can survive travel through space. Thus, Jenova could get from one world to another. If the worlds of FFVII and FFVIII are in fact the same world, then this is fine too - Jenova can survive for millennia, buried in solid rock.

"But Jenova was destroyed!" you all cry. Actually, Jenova's body has the ability to re-form when it's dismembered - even when it's apparently dead.

Both Jenova and Ultimecia are female, and both want to attain God-like power and rule over an entire world.

Jenova has the power to change her form. Ultimecia transforms, as well. Jenova can alter her appearance, gaining the appearance and voice of other people. Jenova and Ultimecia look nothing alike, which proves that they are one and the same, just using different forms.

This is utterly, completely, irrefutably, incontrovertibly, undoubtedly, undeniably, undisputably, indubitablly, unquestionably true.
Coz I sez so.

You might want to check this out.

[Jessweeee♪]

The random theories are especially annoying in this game with the time travel. You know how that is...gets your brain in loops...