fujin and seifer

[Noj_R]

The age and actions were correct.
In fact it was through the actions that I realized that.

No, I dont think that a black person and a woman with gray hair and speech impendement could give birth to a blond warrior and then still be young enough to join garden. If they had Seifer at the age of 25 ( that is young ) in 18 years they are 43. Do you think a 43 year old man and woman could march into garden and be enlisted with the 15 year olds...Impossible. The ages add up? That is ludicrous!

Actions? They are all best friends ( a posse ) after all! Of course their actions are gonna reflect some love towards eachother. Its this love that makes them leave Seifer in the Lunatic Pandora, because " he had forgotten who he was ". NO, not parent love, not gay love, friend love

Disclaimer: None of these comments were meant to racial. I like everyone!

[Christmas]

The age and actions were correct.
In fact it was through the actions that I realized that.

Selphie will obviously marry a train based on her actions.

[Future Esthar]

That was stupid Christmas.
And Noj_R,ask Qrange to explain you my explanation of the age thing.

not parent love

to me looks like parent love.

[vampirepiggyhunter7]

Don't spam.

~Void

[Noj_R]

That was stupid Christmas.
And Noj_R,ask Qrange to explain you my explanation of the age thing
.

I would like to hear it, but only if Qurange ( not Qrange ) will take the time to tell me...

to me looks like parent love.

Of course everyone is going to conform the real intentions of the characters to match what they perceive is really going on. SO of course you think it is parental love...

[Christmas]

That was stupid Christmas.

Flaming. We don’t allow flaming. Flaming means insulting other members of the MB. Be nice at all times. We try hard to keep things very friendly here. No flaming of any kind for any reason, period. Trying to induce others to flame (trolling) is a no-no too.

Have a nice day.

to me looks like parent love.

To my little pet hamster, it dun.

[Future Esthar]

I didn´t insult you.I did insult the joke.

It is much more parental than any other action I saw on the game.

Seifer has the best parents of FF8.

[raskerino]

Parents act DIFFERENTLY some may follow their kid around and listen to everything they say, some (including every parent I've seen around their kid) don't. Therefore your inductive argument is silly as it's easily disproved. Also parents do act very differently so defining a set of actions as how a parent acts is once again ludicrous. Finally the ages don't work, Fuijin couldn't have had a kid while she was her mom. Even with the screwy imagination I have- it doesn't work. The genetics of skin color also make this quite difficult (and two dark haired parents probably wouldn't have a blonde kid.

It looks to me like you state something as favt when every point discussed goes against it. Perhaps you'd like to say something like "I believe" before your posts. I don't think I've responded to one off your theories before but this is getting ridiculous. Following our canon (FFVIII) we know that the ages cannot possibly work. From the knowledge we have this strikes as being nutty.

[Future Esthar]

The genetics of skin color also make this quite difficult (and two dark haired parents probably wouldn't have a blonde kid.

Fujin has White hair.

Also,Raijin,Fujin and Seifer are Propagators.

We know that our characters aren´t human because even Gfs recognize this.
Ifrit,Bahamut,Cerebrus,etc...

Propagators might have genetics different than that of humans.

Parents act DIFFERENTLY some may follow their kid around and listen to everything they say, some (including every parent I've seen around their kid) don't. Therefore your inductive argument is silly as it's easily disproved. Also parents do act very differently so defining a set of actions as how a parent acts is once again ludicrous.

It´s not just the actions.It´s also the feelings.They were more stronger than that of best friends.

Finally the ages don't work, Fuijin couldn't have had a kid while she was her mom. Even with the screwy imagination I have- it doesn't work.

Two words:
Time Compression.

[Christmas]

Fujin has White hair.

Also,Raijin,Fujin and Seifer are Propagators.

We know that our characters aren´t human because even Gfs recognize this.
Ifrit,Bahamut,Cerebrus,etc...

Propagators might have genetics different than that of humans.

As far as concerned, Propagators are able to revive their buddy of the same colour after one had fallen. Does that mean Seifer and everyone can revive each other as well?

It´s not just the actions.It´s also the feelings.They were more stronger than that of best friends.

You probably dun know what friendship is about.

Two words:
Time Compression.

Two Words:

YOUR ASSUMPTION.

[Vyk]

I love watching Future Esthar and unknowns (Christmas) debate theories ^_^ Some of you I'm not sure know how to appreciate it. But to save any rookies some time let me just explain that you have your beliefs, which are mostly common sense observations based on events that play out in the forefront of the game. Future Esthar has his beliefs based on reading between the lines and observations of things that may or may not play out behind the scenes. Despite the validity (or lack there of) you're not going to get him to change his mind. And arguing with him doesn't make you look smarter if that's what you're after, considering you're only arguing the common sense take. To most observers you're just preaching to the choir. But if you want to waste your time, feel free.

As an aside however I'd like to encourage Christmas to continue, because (as stated) I love watching them ^_^ No offense to anyone else that feels like putting in their two cents as well. I'm just not as entertained. But you're certainly not going for entertainment value, so yeah. Carry on :D

Hearts for Christmas and Future Esthar. I don't think I'd enjoy Final Fantasy VIII quite as much without you

[*~Angel Wing~*]

I am sooo confused... Sadly I think this thread will be closed...VERY soon...

[Noj_R]

I am sooo confused... Sadly I think this thread will be closed...VERY soon...

Yes, it does seem to be coming to that. And the propagotor thing is too rididculous to believe. It makes completely no sense and has the whole game going AGAINST it.

four words:
Your theories are insane

[Qurange]

As far as I remember, the parentage theory on FE's part has to do with something of a dynasty; the world was different before it was put, by Hyne, into WOTC, which is the state the world is (according to him) in the game. This isn't a full explanation, but it basically says that they were changed and their memories were altered so that they'd all think they were born near the same time.

More or less. More information is in his threads, but that's enough to cover the mechanics, I think. (This isn't a perfect explanation, but it should do. I left a few things out. It's late, and my fingers are cold.)

I have to disagree about the characters not being human, because Ifrit and the Brothers specifically state the the characters are human: 'For me to lose to a human...' for instance.

As to the bond between the posse, I agree that it's closer than that of most friends, right there into family--but I see no reason to believe a biological relation. They're too different in body type, pigmentation, and...

Well. Seifer, canon, is an orphan. Fuujin and Raijin are his age, more or less. It doesn't work.

[Future Esthar]

Yes, it does seem to be coming to that. And the propagotor thing is too rididculous to believe. It makes completely no sense and has the whole game going AGAINST it.

If I think hard I think I can find out who are whom.

For example it´s possible that the one on the air lock cabin is Squall,the one on the passenger room near the screen is Zell,the one on the bridge elevator is Seifer,the one on the big room(who was saw first) is Rinoa,the one on the little cabin is Irvine,the one near the locked door is Selphie,the one near the entrance is Quistis and the one on the aisle is Edea.
I am saying this based on their personality and some aspects.

As far as concerned, Propagators are able to revive their buddy of the same colour after one had fallen. Does that mean Seifer and everyone can revive each other as well?

This is interesting.At first I thought color pairs were married couples.
But this is not the case.
Two Propagators with different colors give birth to another Propagator whose color will be the color of the parent with predominant gene.
A Propagator can send his counsciousness to the mind of another but only if they had the same color.
That´s why Squall´s counsciousness is sent inside Laguna but cannot be sent inside Raine.
Also,people who meet Squall can be sent to people who met Laguna.
It doesn´t really matter the time period they are in.Zell can also send his consciousness inside Squall.He actually made this when the Robot followed him on Dollet.
It is due to this ability that Laguna manages to survive the fall on the cliff and Squall manage to survive the ice attack on the end of the first disc.