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    In the film a wolf appears a few times.....does it have any realavant part to the story??

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    It's a reancarnation of Zack. You can tell because he appears at his grave, and aeris' grave. He also is there to help cloud out(Look closely. He's in the flower scene) similar to aeris.

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    awwwww is the water a reancarnation of areis??since it like heals the geostigma

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    That's possible. I never thought of that.

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    Err ... Actually, I don't think so.
    The wolf being a reincarnation of Zack or something.
    Do you have sources or something ? Or arguments ?

    The way I see things, in Japan the wolf has some symbolic significations.
    One of them is loneliness as well as remorse.
    Which fit Cloud quite well here. You can notice the wolf disapears at the end, when Cloud isn't alone anymore. Yeah, the wolf first appears on the very hill Zack died at, but it also appears later on at the Forgotten Capital, right where Aeris died.
    If it was Zack's reincarnation, showing Zack disappearing along Aeris at the end would be pointless.

    As for the "water", I think it's Holy. Remember, it came from under the ground in the church.

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    The wolf symbolises clouds emotions.

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    On the DVD audio commentary, Tetsuya Nomura stated that the wolf is a symbol of Cloud's guilt. As such, it can be understood to pertain to Zack and Aeris indirectly. It is not, however, any sort of reincarnation of either character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Awesomeman
    It's a reancarnation of Zack.
    Thats what Ive always believed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RikWeaN
    Err ... Actually, I don't think so.
    The wolf being a reincarnation of Zack or something.
    Do you have sources or something ? Or arguments ?

    The way I see things, in Japan the wolf has some symbolic significations.
    One of them is loneliness as well as remorse.
    Which fit Cloud quite well here. You can notice the wolf disapears at the end, when Cloud isn't alone anymore. Yeah, the wolf first appears on the very hill Zack died at, but it also appears later on at the Forgotten Capital, right where Aeris died.
    If it was Zack's reincarnation, showing Zack disappearing along Aeris at the end would be pointless.
    .
    thats what makes the most sense.

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    Yeah.
    Hence the fact the wolf is Cloud's emblem in the movie :
    He wears it on his clothes, and the name of his bike is also related (Fenril).
    Last edited by RikWeaN; 01-30-2006 at 12:07 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RikWeaN
    Yeah.
    Hence the fact the wolf is Cloud's emblem in the movie :
    He wears it on his clothes, and the name of his bike is also related (Fenril).
    It is fenrir fen rir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masamune·1600
    On the DVD audio commentary, Tetsuya Nomura stated that the wolf is a symbol of Cloud's guilt. As such, it can be understood to pertain to Zack and Aeris indirectly. It is not, however, any sort of reincarnation of either character.
    This is the same guy who stated that while making the movie he had no intention of reviving aeries, and he just focused on creating a good story and not on action scenes.

    A: Allow me to present the entire laundry list of Aeries chores in Advent children

    Counciling cloud.
    Healing cloud from bahamuts omega flare
    throwing cloud the remaining distance to bahamut
    curing geostigma
    counciling kadaj
    resurrecting cloud
    tending to sick children
    making a dramatic exit with dead boyfriend.

    B: As far as story goes, Is this the same script that has cloud working through his survivors guilt in less then 15 seconds just by hearing vincent has never tested the whole "forgiveness of sins" thing? Yah sure Nomura, your the next kurosawa.

    So yah, Nomura I wouldnt exactly count on for a reliable source. He just probably thought it looked cool and put it in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ishin Ookami
    A: Allow me to present the entire laundry list of Aeries chores in Advent children

    Counciling cloud.
    Healing cloud from bahamuts omega flare
    throwing cloud the remaining distance to bahamut
    curing geostigma
    counciling kadaj
    resurrecting cloud
    tending to sick children
    making a dramatic exit with dead boyfriend.
    What's wrong with that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christmas
    What's wrong with that?
    Well, when the creator says he's keeping a dead character Dead, yet uses her as a deus ex machina style plot device, to undo every dramatic quagmire the writers put in instead of, oh I dunno, maybe allowing a bit of dramatic pathos to occur, It kinda takes away from the creators credability.

    Not to mention makes for a really crappy film.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ishin Ookami
    This is the same guy who stated that while making the movie he had no intention of reviving aeries, and he just focused on creating a good story and not on action scenes.

    A: Allow me to present the entire laundry list of Aeries chores in Advent children

    Counciling cloud.
    Healing cloud from bahamuts omega flare
    throwing cloud the remaining distance to bahamut
    curing geostigma
    counciling kadaj
    resurrecting cloud
    tending to sick children
    making a dramatic exit with dead boyfriend.
    To be fair, she didn't really resurrect Cloud; it would see that she healed him. Of course, he would have been smurfed if she didn‘t but yeah. It is also my understanding that when you see Aerith through Cloud through the flare, that only happens in his mind, and what is really happening is Aerith is using her...um...whatever...to raise his spirit.

    I tend to agree with you though, after saying he wasn’t going to bring Aerith back, he made a rather bizarre decision to then put her in most of the movie. Oh well, that’s what happens when your movie consists of 1.5 hours of fan service.

    Not that I’m saying I wouldn’t have it any other way. I wouldn’t of watched it if it wasn’t just 1.5 hours of fan service…

    As for the wolf, it soulds like something out of Norse Mythology. It could represent Fenrir, who was the child of Loki, the ultimate evil. This could coincide with the fact that Cloud carries Jenova cells, thus is a ‘child of evil’, so to speak.

    I really have absolutely no idea though; that was just a random assertion.
    Last edited by The Devourer Of Worlds; 01-30-2006 at 06:41 AM.

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