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    Quote Originally Posted by Death Penalty
    It is fenrir fen rir.
    Makes no difference in Japanese, buddy.
    "r" and "l" are the same to them so we couldn't know for sure.

    Nice addition to the debate anyway :rolleyes2

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    No, it's incorrect to say 'Fenril', because 'Fenrir' isn't Japanese, it's from Norse Mythology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ishin Ookami
    Well, when the creator says he's keeping a dead character Dead, yet uses her as a deus ex machina style plot device, to undo every dramatic quagmire the writers put in instead of, oh I dunno, maybe allowing a bit of dramatic pathos to occur, It kinda takes away from the creators credability.

    Not to mention makes for a really crappy film.
    She is still dead.

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    I agree with Christmas.
    Otherwise you'd have to consider the ending of FFVII crappy too, Ishin Ookami, since Aeris takes part in facing the Meteor just like she does by healing Cloud in AC. Just because she's dead doesn't mean she cannot act in the physical world - based on FFVII universe's rules that is.

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    I thought the Wolf was Aeris not Zack.Cause its there whenever she helps him.Like near the end where she heals him.The screen is white and you see the Wolf.I doubt it represents evil anyway.

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    The wolf is the representation of Cloud's guilt over letting his friends die and his current 'lone wolf' attitude of distancing himself from people.

    Nomura, et. all have said as much in interviews.

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    Makes no difference in Japanese, buddy.
    "r" and "l" are the same to them so we couldn't know for sure.

    Nice addition to the debate anyway
    Its Fenrir in norse mytholigy too. But I guess its spelled different in Japan.
    Last edited by Shadow The Red XIII Thing; 02-02-2006 at 09:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow The Red XIII Thing
    Its Fenrir in norse mytholigy too. But I guess its spelled different in Japan.
    Yeah, that's also what I think.
    To me, "Fenrir" and "Fenril" are the same thing.
    Remember Saint Seiya ? One of the Divine Saints (you know, those northern guys)' name was Fenril, and he was the Wolf Saint.



    Quote Originally Posted by The Devourer Of Worlds
    No, it's incorrect to say 'Fenril', because 'Fenrir' isn't Japanese, it's from Norse Mythology.
    Alright, so what do you think "Fenrir" refers to, then ?
    Dunno about "Fenrir", but in northern mythology, Fenril is said to be a gigantic wolf eating the world during Ragnarok.
    Since Cloud's emblem is wolf, naming his bike after a wolf from a legend makes sense to me, hence the fact I think Fenrir and Fenril refer to the same entity ... it's just that Japanese language can't make a difference between R and L so it's just a transcription mistake.
    Last edited by RikWeaN; 02-03-2006 at 05:05 PM.

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    Fenrir, Fenril, Fenris...

    All are actually correct. For the wolf. Fenris is 'most' correct, however, as I've been told (by a scand, So I'm taking their word on it). It should be kept in mind that the Teutonic mythos vary from area to area, mostly in the form of minor differences in names, or the grouping of a lesser character as another major character. In fact, most wolves involved in Ragnarok are often thought to merely be aspects of Fenris.

    Cloud's bike, however, is Fenrir.

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    Alright, that's the official transcription, but what does it refer to, then ?
    Does AC's Fenrir refer to the same entity Ragnarok's Fenris and Saint Seiya's Fenril do ?

    My guess would be yes, that's why I was saying writing it Fenrir or Fenril didn't matter that much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RikWeaN
    Alright, that's the official transcription, but what does it refer to, then ?
    Does AC's Fenrir refer to the same entity Ragnarok's Fenris and Saint Seiya's Fenril do ?

    My guess would be yes, that's why I was saying writing it Fenrir or Fenril didn't matter that much.
    What he said.

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    Well, when one is given an official spelling, one generally accepts it.

    Then again, this is FF7, and Aerith/Aeris/Nancy (don't ask) debates still rage on to this day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
    Aerith/Aeris/Nancy (don't ask)
    I don't get it. You had better explain it to us in depth, and possibly provide a link to your subtitles whatever it is that you are talking about.

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    The hell is Nancy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryushikaze

    ...Then again, this is FF7, and Aerith/Aeris/Nancy (don't ask) debates still rage on to this day.
    Sorry, can't help it, Im asking. Erm...Nancy? did I miss something?

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