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    Quote Originally Posted by Awesomeman
    Wait! Are you guys refering to the philosopher's Stone in FMA? Cuz thats just a tv shoe and the only things similar to the show and real alchemy is the words transmutation and alchemy. Real alchemists didn't use some stupid circle, they used machines. And as my brother said, the product would be of far less value as the original materials.
    If they were, they deserve to die in some horrible manner or another.

    And the philosophers stone DOES exist outside of that anime (Well the myth anyway).

    And they wouldn't be of less value, THEY WOULDN'T EXIST. It's impossible. Period. Not to mention that alchemy predates machinery.
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    I meant like burners and pots, not like ovens and crap like that. And I don't believe in myths. If I can see it, then I will believe it. And if you read what RC put, then it is, or should I say was, possible to do it.

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    Could someone just sum it up for me as I dun feel like reading that Wiki.

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    Someones been watching Full Metal Alchemist
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    It's an ancient chemistry, people believed that using science and chemicals they could transmutate such as Lead to Gold and Dead to life, it never worked but alot of people famous or not were alchemists. Sir Issac Newton and Leonardo Da Vinci were alchemists, it's widely connected with paganism and stuff. Texts were wrote in symbols and ruins like code so only top secret spies or other alchemists could find out what it meant, it wasn't just an art it was a cult and a wide belief.

    I could begin with the FMA art of alchemy but that aint the point though FMA rocks your socks and you know it.

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    alchemy is actually one of the biggest stepping stones for the development of chemistry.alchemy caused people to actually try and discover the elementary composition of matter.when they thought that they cannot actually turn ordinary metal into gold in the atomic level,they just focused on the branch of science called "chemistry".
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    Quote Originally Posted by yuno
    alchemy is actually one of the biggest stepping stones for the development of chemistry.alchemy caused people to actually try and discover the elementary composition of matter.when they thought that they cannot actually turn ordinary metal into gold in the atomic level,they just focused on the branch of science called "chemistry".
    Didn't you read anything I put. Some one actually turned one subsance into another. And to that one guy that said alchemy predates machines, thats a load of crap. Sure the idea did, but the first successful transmutation was in the more recent times with machines. How do you really think they changed Nitrogen into Hydrogen. They used gaint reacters. Plus it is possible for them to turn a normal ore in to gold. It's just that the gold would be worth less than how much it cost to run the machine, the value of the original ore, and the machine itself. All alchemy is, is rearanging the molecules of the original substance into a copy of the prefered substance. If you don't beleive me, I'll be back with all the info on the first successful transmutation.

    EDIT: First off I made a mistake. It wasn't Nitrogen to Hydrogen, it was Nitrogen to Oxygen. But, I found this article.

    In 1919, Ernest Rutherford used artificial disintegration to convert nitrogen into oxygen. This process of bombarding the atomic nucleus with high energy particles is the principle behind modern particle accelerators, in which transmutations of elements are common. Indeed, in 1980, Glenn Seaborg transmuted lead into gold, though the amount of energy used and the microscopic quantities created negated any possible financial benefit.

    In 1964, George Ohsawa and Michio Kushi, based on the claims of Louis Kervran, reportedly successfully transmutated sodium into potassium, by use of an electric arc, and later of carbon and oxygen into iron. In 1994, R. Sundaresan and J. Bockris reported that they had observed fusion reactions in electrical discharges between carbon rods immersed in water. However, none of these claims have been replicated by other scientists, and the idea is now thoroughly discredited,
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    My bro knows all about alchemy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rice Cake
    Didn't you read anything I put. Some one actually turned one subsance into another. And to that one guy that said alchemy predates machines, thats a load of crap. Sure the idea did, but the first successful transmutation was in the more recent times with machines. How do you really think they changed Nitrogen into Hydrogen. They used gaint reacters. Plus it is possible for them to turn a normal ore in to gold. It's just that the gold would be worth less than how much it cost to run the machine, the value of the original ore, and the machine itself. All alchemy is, is rearanging the molecules of the original substance into a copy of the prefered substance. If you don't beleive me, I'll be back with all the info on the first successful transmutation.
    you say that "all alchemy is,is rearranging the molecules of the original substance into a copy of the preferred substance." which means nitrogen turning into oxygen is NOT alchemy,because whatever you do,you cant rearrange the molecules of nitrogen to become a copy of oxygen molecules.you have to change the nitrogen atoms in the NUCLEAR level,not in the MOLECULAR level.and that is not alchemy,that is chemistry.it is not a transmutation,it is a nuclear reaction.
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