It's not a western movie. It has to do with "cowboys" but they're not in the wild west, fighting the law or whatever. They're cowboys in the 1960s who do farm work and herd sheep. The story itself is a love story and the relationship between two men and their families.
I truly feel sorry for those who can't have kids, and not everyone does great things like Mother Theresa. Way to point out an extreme. But most people want 2 things in life, money, and to be famous/remembered, why do you think a bunch of people with money go into politics, you get put into history books for that. I mean family always remembers family, for who they really are, ona different level than in the public eye, stop twisting things when you know perfectly well what I mean.Originally Posted by TheAbominatrix
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What you mean is gay people are wrong. You use the excuse that they cant have kids. Well, that isnt a valid reason, as there are plenty of people who cant have kids.
Homosexuals also have family and friends and even adopted children. They are remembered and cherished for who they are. So why again is being gay wrong?
You're wrong, your family WILL forget you... do you even know who your great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather is? No, you probably do not... so, the only way you'll be "remembered" is being FAMOUS!!!
Just disregarding all of the unnecessary homophobia in here, I think it would be an interesting idea. Square's done it once before, but it was so obscure it kind of fell under the radar. God only knows how it would end in America though. Some religious fundie gets their panties in a wad, the game gets pulled from shelves, and it becomes the next San Andreas.
I probably wouldn't buy it. Why? I'm personally not gay, and I don't find that kind of relationship appealing to me, personally. If it were the central focus of a game or movie, just because I am a straight male with no interest in gay relationships, I wouldn't feel any pressing desire to buy it.
Kind of like how I have no pressing desire to buy GTA because I don't find the concept of shooting cops and hookers appealing. Same basic principle in this case as far as I'm concerned.
I would not have a problem with it existing, however, it's fairly popular in some Japanese media (the aforementioned yaoi and shounen-ai). It wouldn't surprise me in the least if it were released. I would just not spend money on it.
Of course were the relationship not really a central focus, then I might be pursuaded to get it. It has to do with how the game is presented, really.
Confession time! Brokeback Mountain didn't appeal to me either, and I've never seen the movie. But full-on love stories aren't really my thing. I would never say someone was homo hating just because they didn't want to see it. I'd say they are all discriminating only if the REASON they won't see it is because it has a gay relationship, and if one of them was replaced by a woman it would suddenly be something of interest to them. I guess it depends on if you're telling yourself you don't like it just because it's "western" style when you actually know you were turned off from the moment you saw it, or if you honestly just flat out don't care because you don't, true stories!
I don't think critics liked it just because it had a gay couple in it. If it sucks, I'm sure they would have said so. They don't just hand out awards to a movie because there's gay things in it. Look at The 24th Day, Latter Days, The Trip, Eating Out, or Big Eden. Those movies all blow...er, suck...er, I mean! They aren't any good
That critic was called homophobic for his comments because he made it sound like Jake just wanted some action and manipulated Ledger into some loving. ARE those homophobic comments? Not really, in my opinion. It sounds to me just like he hated the movie... But whatever.
My final hope for the matter is that a topic like this would simply never exist. As in they will make gay couples and straight couples and it won't phase anybody. Just think, back in the ridiculously ignorant days when racism was at an all time high, black and white people couldn't even share a bathroom. Now when a black person walks into a restroom nobody even thinks twice about it, because it's completely stupid to split our bathrooms for no reason, right? Someday, it will be considered entirely silly to make a fuss over anything gay-related, and gay related movies and games will co-exist with straight ones side by side without any controversy or excessive attention just because it has a gay theme. SOMEDAY...but not in my lifetime.
As for saying the purpose of life is to pass on life, that's sort of a split thing I guess. I know some people who would never have children and some who say they can't imagine not having them. I guess it depends on you. I hate weddings, children, and dogs all three (yikes!) and therefore will never have any of those things, whether I can or can't. I hate to agree with a psychotic terrorist made of pixels, but Psycho Mantis spoke for me in finding it...strange...all humans ever think about is passing on their seed. But if the meaning of your life is to create life, then I am all for that. But that doesn't mean homosexual sex has no point. Perhaps to some the meaning of life is pleasure and nothing more...Get all you can before you die sort of thing. I guess it's different for everybody. The meaning of my life is to expose Hillary Duff's true identity, Satan. See, different!
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I wouldn't say there's necessarily a problem with buying a game or movie that has a romance between straight people as the main focus over a game or movie that has a romance between gay people as the main focus. I'm allowed to like what I want, and I like women. Thus, if I am going to get something with romance as the central focus, I would prefer it be between a man and a woman, that's the kind of relationship I enjoy.
Of course, that requires me to actually get something that's primary focus is romance in the first place, which is something that is... unlikely at best.
What game?
Personally, I’d like to see a game where you could inadvertently, but not inevitably, end up in a homosexual relationship. Their have been doing the whole ‘affection’ thing since FFVII; it’s time to take it a step further. How awesome would it be to be able to manipulate who the protagonist ends up with in the end? Of course realistically, this means that they would have to downplay the whole ‘love’ theme a little, as multiple partners would cause trouble in relation to FMVs etc. I don’t really see this as a negative though. Ever since FFVIII far too much emphasis has been put on relationships.
It could work.
The term homophobia literally means an "irrational fear of or contempt for homosexuality or homosexuals"
Sorry, I don't fear homosexuals, I just disagree with their lifestyle. No matter what way you look at it, nature's reason for sex, is to reproduce.
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Ok, let’s not turn this into a debate over the morality/nature of homosexuality. It isn’t really relevant to the topic.
actually it has everything to do with the topic. IF they made the game, those who were against homosexuality, probably wouldn't support the game nearly as much as those who were supporters of it. So yes, I do believe it relates directly to the topic...
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The subject is not whether homosexuality is wrong; it’s whether adding a homoerotic demeanour to an FF game would effect the public reaction to it. It relates to the topic, but it isn't relevent.
and the answer would be yes, people who supported homosexuality and homosexual rights would push the game as one of the best ever and a huge breakthrough, while others will get sick of hearing about how great it is, no matter how good the game actually is *coughff7cough*
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