Who is stronger?

[Ryushikaze]

You are arguing with a wall here, buddy...:rolleyes2

Wall would be more yeilding, sturdier, and a lot more grounded.

Why do people think they had refuted me just because I don´t reply to their posts?
That didn´t make sense.

No, it made sense.

Not to defend theory but to show that your Centra claim don´t show Ulti to be on the future.

In short, defending your claim.

The very fact that I can make up a logical theory to explain the Centra subject shows the argument to be invalid.

If it was logical, that would mean something.

You did the same with me when you said that the very fact that there were many medieval things on Ulti´s castle don´t means she is from the past.She could just like medieval things.But you can´t prove that either.

No, I'm using the anachronistic elements to debunk you, while attempting rationalize why Ulti would have such stuff.

So you are also using made up theories to invalidate arguments.
So basically,I can´t prove her to be from the past nor you can´t prove her to be from the future.

But the makers of the game support my position far more than they do yours.

You must be blind then.

Keyword- massive.

The game implies that it is possible to time travel inside time compression,so what is the problem of people with the concept of time travelling portals?

Nothing, save that is has no support in game, and no precendence, within FF.

Anyway,every people can see that the Castle was in a physical place near Edea´s house.
So your theory is bull unless you think Ulti can magically imitate that outside space.

I do, and I have precendent of outside-where's.

Do you remember what happens when you defeat Weapon over Cosmo Canyon?
It falls over the floor and we see a change on the topography on the world map.

Yes, because it was a catastrophic event.

And we also note some changes on the topography of the Midgar continent on the third disc.

Also caused by world scale incidents.

Why?How it works then?

For one, there are limits to how much a building can be altered, even assuming the foundations remain intact. For two, consider that Ulti palace is heavy walled brick. Esthar palace on the other hand, is a typical estharian building.
Thirdly, the layout of the two buildings are nothing alike.

[Future Esthar]

You are the wall,my friend.
Anyway,you can´t proof that the counterarguments I used to show that you can´t show Ulti is from the future using that two points you used were false.
And...

So basically,I can´t prove her to be from the past nor you can´t prove her to be from the future.

So you must respect my theories and not call me stupid or low grounded

For one, there are limits to how much a building can be altered, even assuming the foundations remain intact. For two, consider that Ulti palace is heavy walled brick. Esthar palace on the other hand, is a typical estharian building.
Thirdly, the layout of the two buildings are nothing alike.

I am sorry ,there was a mistake.It isn´t the entire Castle which becomes the Palace.
It is only the Clock tower along with the master room and the bridge that links them.
The low residencial part of Ulti´s castle becomes Esthar Sorceress Memorial.
Anyway,it is not only remoddeling who leads to the differences.Sometimes there were parts that were destructed and other things like that.

[Nick Schovitz]

Is there even an Ultima Weapon in the game?

[Future Esthar]

Yes,there is.

[Noj_R]

So basically,I can´t prove her to be from the past nor you can´t prove her to be from the future.

Actually I have proven Ulti is from the future using very strong ingame evidence. This is evidence I have reorginized from post #534 of the "1572" thread:

1.) Odine says she is from the future, we can assume he tells the truth, since there is no evidence or motive for him to do otherwise.

2.) Odine obviously doesnt have the JME yet or else Squall and co. would destroy it, so it must be made in the future.

3.) Ellone only has the power to "teleport" BACK in time NOT FORWARD. In the whole game Ellone never goes forward in time ( she cant ), thus Ultimecia MUST be reaching BACK for Ellone as she cant go forward since Ellone doesnt possess that power. If she did, it would have been shown undoubtedly.

So, Ulti is undisputably from the future

[Ramza Beoulve]

Actually I have proven Ulti is from the future using very strong ingame evidence. This is evidence I have reorginized from post #534 of the "1572" thread:

1.) Odine says she is from the future, we can assume he tells the truth, since there is no evidence or motive for him to do otherwise.

2.) Odine obviously doesnt have the JME yet or else Squall and co. would destroy it, so it must be made in the future.

3.) Ellone only has the power to "teleport" BACK in time NOT FORWARD. In the whole game Ellone never goes forward in time ( she cant ), thus Ultimecia MUST be reaching BACK for Ellone as she cant go forward since Ellone doesnt possess that power. If she did, it would have been shown undoubtedly.

So, Ulti is undisputably from the future

WAY TO GO, I'm with Noj_R

[boys from the dwarf]

The topic doesnt state "if Adel had her true power who would be the strongest" I'm assume the whole point in this thread is "who's the strongest when you battle them". This being Omega Weapon.

the topic doesnt say that straigt out loud. it only says who is stronger , adel or omega. i agree that adel would probbably be stronger than omega at full power but i was judging on what the game says. it o.k for people to say " i think adel because if she was at fulll power she cou;d defeat omega." because the thread just says who is stronger.

[_yeojina_]

Who's the strongest? ME!!! ((Well, maybe not...))

[Fonzie]

Who would win in a fight against Omega Weapon and Adel? Chuck Norris

[Future Esthar]

1.) Odine says she is from the future, we can assume he tells the truth, since there is no evidence or motive for him to do otherwise.

You had to proof Odine is telling the thruth before using that as an argument.
Basically if that is what Square intended for Odine when they created the dialogue.

2.) Odine obviously doesnt have the JME yet or else Squall and co. would destroy it, so it must be made in the future.

You must proove he is telling the thruth about the machine before using that as argument.The machine already exists.I had already saw it.I realized it was the machine because I had saw also the less advanced version of that machine somewhere on the world.The primitive version is bigger and is used as a mirror to the junction of the more advanced one.

Ellone only has the power to "teleport" BACK in time NOT FORWARD. In the whole game Ellone never goes forward in time ( she cant ), thus Ultimecia MUST be reaching BACK for Ellone as she cant go forward since Ellone doesnt possess that power. If she did, it would have been shown undoubtedly.

The time Squall and Company go is on the past.This means Ulti can´t possess anyone.
Which means there is a person on the future which is possessing everyone including Ulti.
You had to prove Ulti is possessing someone before using this as an argument.

So there you are.You hadn´t proved me wrong after all.

Policeman allways consider physical evidence better than the testimony of persons.So I am on the right track.

[Sir Bahamut]

Yeah, you should definitely join the police. Although come to think of it, I don't know if I'd be very happy with the prospect of you tracking down mass murderers. :rolleyes2 I suspect the killer would die of old age while you try convincing everyone the killer is an innocent person who's been possessed by someone from the future :rolleyes2

[Ryushikaze]

You had to proof Odine is telling the thruth before using that as an argument.
Basically if that is what Square intended for Odine when they created the dialogue.

Innocent until proven guilty, speaking of police work.

You must proove he is telling the thruth about the machine before using that as argument.The machine already exists.I had already saw it.I realized it was the machine because I had saw also the less advanced version of that machine somewhere on the world.The primitive version is bigger and is used as a mirror to the junction of the more advanced one.

No we don't. Innocent til proven otherwise.

...Vague claims, apparently the ability to determine purpose of an esoteric machine by simple appearance alone... Yeah. You're REALLY gonna have to work to prove that one.

The time Squall and Company go is on the past.This means Ulti can´t possess anyone.
Which means there is a person on the future which is possessing everyone including Ulti.
You had to prove Ulti is possessing someone before using this as an argument.

You have to prove anything about your little conspiracy theory before using as a counter.

So there you are.You hadn´t proved me wrong after all.

Unfortunately, if we're going with the court of law analogy here, you're the prosecutor. You must prove your claims. The jury is unconvinced.

Policeman allways consider physical evidence better than the testimony of persons.So I am on the right track.

Now if you only had EVIDENCE.

[Skyblade]

Ok, Future Esthar, for this paragraph, I will prove that they are in the future using nothing except what we see of Edea's house. I will not use anything that comes from the world map. Ok, in the flashbacks to Edea's house, during the time when it is an orphanage, it is a complete, nicely built building. In the "present", it is a broken down wreck. In Ulti's time, it is even more dilapidated. Had Ulti's time been in the past, the building would have been newer, and thus less broken down. Therefore, they must be in the future. Ulti knew about SeeD. The only way she could have known about SeeD had she come from the past, would be if she was there when the idea was formed. Which means that the house should have been in the condition it was in when we saw it in the flashbacks. So, the fact that Edea's house is broken down in Ulti's time proves that Ulti is from the future, not the past.

[Future Esthar]

Ulti knew about SeeD. The only way she could have known about SeeD had she come from the past, would be if she was there when the idea was formed.

Not IF she is already possessed by someone from the future who knows Seed.
(Note that I said IF which means there were other possibilities which invalidate the argument.I am not backing up theories with theories).

Ok, in the flashbacks to Edea's house, during the time when it is an orphanage, it is a complete, nicely built building. In the "present", it is a broken down wreck.

I had already noted that.That is the best argument someone ever used to prove Ulti from the future.
But we don´t see Edea´s house on the "future" after all.
We see something difficult to define.It´s creepy.Looks like the body of a monster.
We see also the White Seed ship and some pillar ruins.

[CStrife]

Adel is easy, OW is not!!!!!!!!! I suffered a lot before killing it................ but i did it!