1572,the year of FF8.

[Ramza Beoulve]

If the characters are the Propagators, then why do the propagators attack 'themselves' and why don't the other characters die via paradox by killing themselves?

Agree, even so,if the Propagators kill Rinoa and Squall, then they would be destroying themselves, and in other way Rinoa and Squall destroy them, they would destroy the team, including Rinoa and Squall, so they could'nt destroy themselves, then creating a complex paradox ending where anyone could destroy their other "selves".

So my questions are:

If Propagator are the characters past form, then why the characters can kill the Propagators?

If the characters are the Propagators past form, then why the Propagators can kill the characters?

these are my own answers

You have played Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross, or maybe watched "Time's Machine" movie or read the novel? there explains all this crap over and over again, but I'll make my own theory (sorry theories's haters)

A person cannot kill himself in the past, because he would end existing, then in the future wouldn't be a himself to destroy his past himself, so the first thing then would never happen really, then there would be a complex paradox.

There could be the parallel universe, but here, if you kill yourself in past, your universe would end, the history taking another path, where there is not another you to kill your past, destroying that path too, also with all other paths, creating the end of all the times.

(I had to take a little time to understand myself, if you cannot understand too, just take your time)

Theres also the history of the original FF, where the legend the young ones hear where really themselves, but here they DIDN'T mess with his own lifes.

You cannot really change your past, but if you do, then you would already remember it

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

Just so you know, we are not theory haters. We just disprove theories that we know through knowledge of the said topic of the theory are wrong. And as for your theory, it makes a lot of sense.

[Sir Bahamut]

You cannot really change your past, but if you do, then you would already remember it

This doesn't make sense. Either you can change your past or you can't. There's no such thing as "not really" changing the past. And the statement about remembering changing the past makes no sense either, unless you mean that they remember AFTER they've actually changed it.

Further, what exactly is Future saying. Is he saying that the Propagators are Squall, Rinoa etc. in the past, or is he saying that the Propagators are Squall, Rinoa etc. in the future. Because those two questions you asked said both, so it's a bit confusing to understand what question you're actually answering (although you didn't actually answer either, no offense meant). This is the breakdown on both situations though:

1) If the Propagator's are the party in the past, then killing them is not possible. The only way it could work is if you assumed that alternate universes are at play in FF8. Then whoever did the time travelling (ie. the Propagator's arriving from the past, or Squall and Co from future), they came from an alternate universe, so no paradox arises.

However, alternate universes are highly implausible in FF8, as there is absolutely nothing indicating they exist, making it far more plausible that you simply cannot change the past, like Ellone says.

So basically, if Future is saying that the Propagaotrs are younger versions of Squall and Co, he'll have to be assuming alternate dimensions, thus weakening the strength of his 'theories'.

2) If the Propagators are Squall and Co in the future, then nothing happens if the Propagators are killed. As for the Propagators killing Squall and Rinoa, that doesn't ever happen, so it doesn't matter if a paradox would arise.

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

No, the past future thing was just a theory that shadowcrono thought up. It has nothing to do with the propogators or even the discussion at hand. Just drop it and read some of the posts before.

[Ramza Beoulve]

This doesn't make sense. Either you can change your past or you can't. There's no such thing as "not really" changing the past. And the statement about remembering changing the past makes no sense either, unless you mean that they remember AFTER they've actually changed it.

What I tried to tell there was "If you change your own past, making a relation with yourself, then you would remember it" also "you cannot change an already made past", and for that of the Propagator could be from other dimensions, then we would be messing to much with a thing we already know "FF VIII is about past, present, and future, not from relationships through parallel universes"

Just so you know, we are not theory haters. We just disprove theories that we know through knowledge of the said topic of the theory are wrong. And as for your theory, it makes a lot of sense.

, I was talking of other people, not you, sorry if I confused you

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

Oh...i thought you were making a general statement.

[Death Penalty]

This thread makes me feel all tingly inside. Tee hee. Oh is there any real proof to make me believe this FE or is this another addition to the downfall of society

[Ramza Beoulve]

Well, read the Topic's title, now imagine around 4 plot holes still not proveen, plus one guy trying to build his own FFVIII world, plus a great group trying to break that confusing plotholes and save player's mind, and what do you got?...

Addition to downfall of society

[Death Penalty]

Now it makes so much sense

[Future Esthar]

The Propagators are from a time before the events on the orphanage.
People think they are killed when they kill two of the same color consecutively but that is not the case.A good observer can see their eyes blinking.
And it seems they supposedly breed on the ship again after being exterminated.
Counter argument debunked

Personal attacks will absolutely NOT be tolerated. If I see much more of this, you will be banned.

~Void.

[Death Penalty]

What are you talkin about there never was an argument

[Skyblade]

The Propagators are from a time before the events on the orphanage.

PROVE IT!!!

[Ramza Beoulve]

The Propagators are from a time before the events on the orphanage.

And if they are, then if the team kills them, and they really are the past form of the characters, then there would be a Paradox, like I already say in my "Time Change Theory"

[Omnislash07]

The Propagators are from a time before the events on the orphanage.
People think they are killed when they kill two of the same color consecutively but that is not the case.A good observer can see their eyes blinking.
And it seems they supposedly breed on the ship again after being exterminated.
Counter argument debunked

First of all if the propagator's eyes are inside their heads the way you say then they can't blink. unless you mean blink as in flash. if this is true then post a screen shot because no one else has ever seen what you are talking about. Plus you have no ingame reference of them ever breeding in the ship after killiing all of them so that is comepletly false.

[Ryushikaze]

Uhh... Moderator, I keep this here for one reason. I did not copy past this. It was autoselected by the quote tag. Basically, this exists as a note that you may wish to correct this problem, since I don't know who to contact about it.
Addendum: Ah, now I see how it works. But you can still see it via quoting the post, so it might be better just to delete it.
Though one point to Future. I again repeat that we do not have to prove you wrong. YOU have to prove yourself right.

The Propagators are from a time before the events on the orphanage.

Burden of proof. Show that this is so.

People think they are killed when they kill two of the same color consecutively but that is not the case.A good observer can see their eyes blinking.

They'd have to be good. Propagators don't sit around once you kill them.

And it seems they supposedly breed on the ship again after being exterminated.

REALLY? I don't recall ever having to smack them for infesting the head. Burden of proof that they reproduce.

Counter argument debunked

No, sir, it wasn't.
You have NOTHING to suggest that Propagators aren't random aliens. I know you point to the Edea FMV, but she doesn't look anything like a propagator in it.