1572,the year of FF8.

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

Cid is old. the hunching over whle walking is just a part of him aging. Don't use it. That is the only similarity i have found. Also, as many ppl have have said to you, the machine is only used ot view the past, not to control someone. The only power ellone had was to let ppl view the past. The only reason you are actually controlling Laguna and co. in the past is because if you were to just watch a scene from the past for like more than 10 minutes that would be pretty boring.

And yes, the 'faeries' are squall and co. Laguna refers to them because he feels their presence when they view the past of him. Some of his oddities that he does sometimes(going a different way) he uses them as the reason to why he is doing something different or if some luck happens to him.

[Sir Bahamut]

I should say though:

Ellones ability CAN be used to possess people. Or rather, Ellone can send you back to someone, who you can then possess; Ultimecia possessing Edea is the absolute evidence of that. However, it is likely that you need a lot of mental strength, and probably sorceress powers.

[Mirage]

I think it it's also reasonable to believe that the Junction Machine Ultimecia is in possession of can amplify the effect, making it stronger than what Ellone could do on her own.

[Ramza Beoulve]

I should say though:

Ellones ability CAN be used to possess people. Or rather, Ellone can send you back to someone, who you can then possess; Ultimecia possessing Edea is the absolute evidence of that. However, it is likely that you need a lot of mental strength, and probably sorceress powers.

Ellone can't do that, she only sends the consciousness of the person to the past.

Ultimecia possessing Edea was because Edea has Ultimecia's powers, Ultimecia has a stronger consciousness than Edea, and Ultimecia is a sorceress, she uses his magic to control Edea and to amplify the machine's power, other reason that gives her enough power to control Seifer, because Seifer was not really loyal to Edea, but to Ultimecia.

I think it it's also reasonable to believe that the Junction Machine Ultimecia is in possession of can amplify the effect, making it stronger than what Ellone could do on her own.

Same here, but the power is also amplified because of Ultimecia's powers

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

I see, and yes, ellone did not have the ability to posess anyone. If she did, she could've possessed squall and co. and actually lead them instead of having them travel everywhere. Ultimecia is a much mor epowerful sorceress than the ones that are in current time of VIII, she can have this ability. Ellon can only send conscious to the viewing of a past event. This is why squall is thinking(or talking, whatever you want to call it) when he is viewing the event at hand. If he was possessing Laguna, laguna would have looked confused since squall would have no idea where he was or who he even was in.

[Sir Bahamut]

You both seem to have misread me.

I didn't say that Ellone is capable of possessing anyone. I said that Ellones ability can be used as a tool in the process of possessing someone! I mean, Ultimecia doesn't just possess someone just like that, by snapping her fingers or whatever. No, she has to use Ellones power (in the shape of the JME) to place her consciousness inside a sorceress of the past, and THEN use her own powers to subdue that mind to her will. And it is not just the JME which can do this, which the game proves, when Ellone herself sends Ultimecia (in Rinoa) inside Adel of the past, where Ultimecia possesses Adel and casts time compression.

So Squall and Co could theoretically speaking have subdued Laguna and Co when they were inside them, but didn't do so because 1) they had no reason for trying, so they never did try, and 2) because even if they had tried, they probably needed much greater powers (eg. sorceress powers) to do so!

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

I see what you mean, and this is what we know. We knew this already, but thank you for clarifying what you said.

[Future Esthar]

I think I understand the confusion.
Ellone enables a person to get inside another and control it´s actions TO A EXTENT.
We have to understand that there are two wills taking place.Squall´s will and Laguna´s will.
Tv antenas can interfere on the movement of planes for example.
But it doesn´t mean planes didn´t have internal controls.
The same happens on FF8.
If a will wins over another you get POSSESSION.
If it don´t win you can at least influence a little(like plane interference).
But magical powers aren´t required to achieve that.


Things like death,memory loss or loosing a knight (or the love of one) can help to down the will of a person.

Cid is old. the hunching over whle walking is just a part of him aging. Don't use it. That is the only similarity i have found.

Poor excuse but better than "Characters were made similar because the programmers were lazy to retexture them" or something along these lines.
And there were much more similarities than that(physical and psychological).

I can show you screenshots to prove this and that Doctor Odine IS the Unknown King(we,the pc players had a special advantage).

[Ramza Beoulve]

I think I understand the confusion.
Ellone enables a person to get inside another and control it´s actions TO A EXTENT.
We have to understand that there are two wills taking place.Squall´s will and Laguna´s will.
Tv antenas can interfere on the movement of planes for example.
But it doesn´t mean planes didn´t have internal controls.
The same happens on FF8.
If a will wins over another you get POSSESSION.
If it don´t win you can at least influence a little(like plane interference).
But magical powers aren´t required to achieve that.


Things like death,memory loss or loosing a knight (or the love of one) can help to down the will of a person.

I already say that

Ultimecia possessing Edea was because Edea has Ultimecia's powers, Ultimecia has a stronger consciousness than Edea, and Ultimecia is a sorceress, she uses his magic to control Edea and to amplify the machine's power, other reason that gives her enough power to control Seifer, because Seifer was not really loyal to Edea, but to Ultimecia.

(we,the pc players had a special advantage).

Again downgrading us? Just show the screenshot and continue.

[Future Esthar]

Ultimecia possessing Edea was because Edea has Ultimecia's powers, Ultimecia has a stronger consciousness than Edea, and Ultimecia is a sorceress, she uses his magic to control Edea and to amplify the machine's power, other reason that gives her enough power to control Seifer, because Seifer was not really loyal to Edea, but to Ultimecia.

Says,who?

Even Pinnoquio can possess Alexander the Great with a proper machine if he manage to clear his memories.
That is the main reason people can´t accept Odine as the main villain.
Their warmonger logic don´t let them accept.
People allways prefer to consider Ulti as the villain.
I am trying in vain to revert this mentality.

we,the pc players had a special advantage

On the pc version one can see the inner lines of the king ghost.Unlike on the Playstation version.
That was what I was talking about.

[Lynx]

i have no idea whats goiung on in this thread since there are 28 pages. i read a few posts and all i can say is some of you have lost your grip on reality. final fantasys werent all on the same planet. just because they might mention things that seem like it ties the games together they're really just jokes put in there to see if the gamer can catch them.

[Ramza Beoulve]

I am trying in vain to revert this mentality.

You said it, in vain

On the pc version one can see the inner lines of the king ghost.Unlike on the Playstation version.
That was what I was talking about.

Sorry then, but you could clearified at first.

Even Pinnoquio can possess Alexander the Great with a proper machine if he manage to clear his memories.
That is the main reason people can´t accept Odine as the main villain.
Their warmonger logic don´t let them accept.
People allways prefer to consider Ulti as the villain.
I am trying in vain to revert this mentality.

Actually, you are the warmonger trying to change people's mind and rebel their own knowledge, trying to change their memories, their believes, their opinions, I say, live and let die. (without offense)

I prefer think Ultimecia is the one behind it all, because she created the paradox in the time proccess, trying to do a thing, create a world were only her could exist, if so, then why Odine helped the team?, the same goes for Cid.

[Emery]

wow get a LIFE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Future Esthar]

I prefer think Ultimecia is the one behind it all, because she created the paradox in the time proccess, trying to do a thing, create a world were only her could exist, if so, then why Odine helped the team?, the same goes for Cid.

Why did she wanna to compress time then?

if so, then why Odine helped the team?, the same goes for Cid.

Interesting question with interesting answer.

If Odine is from the future wouldn´t it be a risk to compress time letting people from other eras in?

Another interesting question that seem to contradict my theories.

I myself had not a complete understanding of why.Which is good.
It means there are wonderful secrets for me to discover.
So many things which contradict the "Odine is the villain" theory,isn´t it?

That is exactly were you are wrong.

I had an incomplete answer which I think it is satisfatory enough.
I think this due to Odine´s coward personality.

Imagine the picture we see at the Doctor´s lab when the resistance members planned to conceal Adel.
Odine is goes around in circles in a CLOCKWISE sense.After him is Ellone.
But in a circle we can also say Odine is after Elle.

This beautiful picture basically explains everything.

[Ramza Beoulve]

Imagine the picture we see at the Doctor´s lab when the resistance members planned to conceal Adel.
Odine is goes around in circles in a CLOCKWISE sense.After him is Ellone.
But in a circle we can also say Odine is after Elle.

Good one, but still I need to argue.

From what I remember of my childhood, when someone went after another and the another one followed the first, it was a little circle, a little close because the both wanted to get the other.

In this memory picture (I really like this scene) the circle actually is quite big, and we see Ellone following from near Dr. Odine, and if this would be in otherwise, the circle would be more closed and small.

Why did she wanna to compress time then?

create a world were only her could exist