1572,the year of FF8.

[Omnislash07]

We wouldnt pick on him and call him a fruitcake if he would just accept that his theories are comepletly wrong when he is confronted with logical evidence. But he doesnt, instead he just keeps talking about how he has some kind of proof that only makes sense to him.

And im still waiting to hear how he tells me i am comepletly wrong about my earlier post on how his WOTC theory is comeplete bull****.

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

Well, it makes sense to more ppl than just him, and a theory is a theory which is a statement that could be true but isn't fact until proven so. Besides, you haven't proven him completely wrong so his theory still stands.

[Sir Bahamut]

Well, it makes sense to more ppl than just him, and a theory is a theory which is a statement that could be true but isn't fact until proven so. Besides, you haven't proven him completely wrong so his theory still stands.

Excuse me, but you ARE aware that the statement I just gave (that the main characters are Propagators etc.) is an integral part of Future's theories? You agreed that that is fruitcake material, yet now you still claim that it 'is a statement that could be true'?!

I really don't understand this attitude, I'm afraid. No offense, but you admitted that it was fruitcake material! All of Future's theories are fruitcake material. His gathered works are like one massive fruitcake! Period. And are you claiming we should actually take this seriously? That we should give him the same benefit of the doubt that we give someone who claims, for instance, that Zell is gay (which one CAN actually make an argument for)? No. That simply isn't true.

So far, all of Future's theories are fruitcake pieces, so so far we don't really even have to argue against him, because everyone can (should) see the lunacy in his arguments. And insane ramblings are NOT to be treated in a serious manner. Further, they can't even be disproved, because there's no basis for rational discussion (it would be like trying to engage in a conversation on religion with a kitchen bench), so you simply cannot hold it against us that he's not been fully disproven. Further still, Future has not even accepted statements from Square themselves as being proof, so what else would you suggest?

Oh, and you said his theories don't just make sense to himself. In that case, what part of his theories do you think make sense? The part where Irvine and Selphie are Zell's parents (something to that extent) or the bit where Rinoa is a robotic version of Ellone?

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

Evolution isn't that fast fruitcake!

[Sir Bahamut]

I'm sorry? If that was a specific reply to my post, you'll have to go into more detail...

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

Ok, the propagators might have been the dominant species in the past of the game , but species do not evolve in a matter that their entire body image changes making that irrational and irrelevant. And on the topic of his theory, why do yu think that the "beautiful" color check was in the game?

[Sir Bahamut]

Ok, the propagators might have been the dominant species in the past of the game , but species do not evolve in a matter that their entire body image changes making that irrational and irrelevant.

That's exactly the point. Future's theories are full of statements like that, which are irrational and irrelevant. Unfortunately, Future is immune to anything with logic in it, which is why his topics keep on coming, long after stuff like that has been stated.

And on the topic of his theory, why do yu think that the "beautiful" color check was in the game?

How about the obvious reason: so that the Esthar technicians in charge of maintaining the camouflage hiding Esthar could check if the system was running smoothly. It's really that simple. Of course, it was really put in there more so as to reaffirm the revelation that Esthar was hidden by a complicated camouflage wall, set to showing an empty landscape instead of the huge metropolis really present.

[Jessweeee♪]

um...are we still talking about Raine's gravestone? What happened to the nice little debate we had? I think FE was right about that, but his other theories are just a little too complicated to work.

[Sir Bahamut]

Sorry, I may have pushed things off topic a bit.

About the gravestone though, I'll grant it as being a fair guess, and reasonable attempt at a theory, although the resolution of the picture is simply not good enough to establish anything concrete. It might be written in another language for all we know!

[Omnislash07]

Well, it makes sense to more ppl than just him, and a theory is a theory which is a statement that could be true but isn't fact until proven so. Besides, you haven't proven him completely wrong so his theory still stands.

Ok obviusly you havent read any other threads made by FE because in every thread he starts there are always a couple people that point out some major discrepinsies from game information but he compeltly ignores it.

I dont think theory is the right word for the stuff that FE comes up with. Theory is a scientific word and the scientific equivalant to FE's ideas is like saying that trees can talk but we just dont understand the language. Comepletly rediculous but it cant be disproven because there is no way for us to know that trees dont really talk...

The words i and many others would use for what FE comes up with is FAN FICTION.

Oh and i dont think that thing on Raine's gravestone is a date. Just to stay on topic.

[Anaisa]

Excuse me, but you ARE aware that the statement I just gave (that the main characters are Propagators etc.) is an integral part of Future's theories? You agreed that that is fruitcake material, yet now you still claim that it 'is a statement that could be true'?!
I really don't understand this attitude, I'm afraid. No offense, but you admitted that it was fruitcake material! All of Future's theories are fruitcake material. His gathered works are like one massive fruitcake!
Future's theories are fruitcake pieces.

Now you've created your own theory on future's theorys. I wonder if he'll confirm that this fruitcake theory is true? I think we should entitle this theory,"the fruiter Esthar". And just to be on topic, that gravestone huh?, crazy business.

[Future Esthar]

Okay in the above picture you clearly show your "time walls" or whatever and you say that nothing except for the specific time traveling vehicles can get through the "walls". So how do the missles get from the Gabaldia Missle Base to Balamb Garden? and also to Trabia Garden? Wouldnt the missles launch but then go to the wrong time or whatever?

You call that a proof?

I already explained that these missiles also time travel.
The owner of the missile base is Vinzer Deling,a Shumi possessed by Hyne.
And Hyne is the only one who knows about WOTC (he created it).
So we expect that he knows how to program the missile trajectory (this backs up my theory of the internal GPS).

Okay FE you are saying that people smart enough to travel into space are too stupid to realize that they arent looking at the moon and are actually looking at the planet they just came from...right. When they go into space there is a moon and there is their planet, how stupid would you have to be to mix up the 2. You are telling us that these super inteligent people can build holographic walls seperating "eras" and go into outer space but they cant tell the differance between their planet and the moon.

The Estharians don´t know about WOTC.It was created by eliminators (cyborg Esthar Soldiers) under Adels orders.It is a statal secret hidden from the citizens.There is only one single Estharian who knows that."Hyne".
They don´t tell the difference because they have never saw it even on the floor.An holographic abode covers Esthar and shows on the sky a picture of the entire planet.It looks smaller than "Earth" because the "Earth" is WOTC and contains about 8 eras which means the planet is about 8 times smaller.
When they get to Space,they finally saw the planet live because they time travelled to that era.

[Omnislash07]

Of Course the missles can travel through time. Why didnt i think of that?

What about how nobody in space seems to know that they are actually looking at their own planet instead of the moon? What is your explination for that?

Actually it wouldnt be 8 times larger because it just has 8 specific places in specific times not 8 comepletle planets put together into 1...right? So technically the size of the Earth is not any different than it would normally be without WOTC because the areas were all on the planet at some point in time and land was not actually added to the planet.

Also do you mean that there is a holographic "roof" covering Estar so that they cannot see the sky? Does this "roof" cover the entire planet or just Estar?

I need the details on this roof that you just invented before i can come up with a problem with it.

[Future Esthar]

The planet looks white because they were on the glacial era(Trabia +Balamb era more than 17 years ago).Ice covers the entire planet before the vulcan boils down.
It boils down and melt the ice sorrounding it.

But earlier someone said that the lines cross over sea so no one would discover them, but then if anything can travel through then what is the point of not putting it on land if this theory is true.

Only some special vehicles can travel through them.
The ones with an internal GPS system which determines where they should time travel.
No one can cross through them on foot(unless they found a passage to go inside like on the Esthar ones).
But then the walls would be discovered (and they aren´t supposed to).

[Omnislash07]

WOTC would make it so that a bunch of different "eras" were like different countries on a planet which means that in space you would be able to see each Era and not just the Trabia +Balamb era.

Also since the Ragnaroks could travel through space freely how did the people that went into space on them know how to get back to Earth if the Earth looked like the moon. Also when they are in space wouldnt it look funny if there were 2 moons and no Earth?