1572,the year of FF8.

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

ok FE i believe u.

[Noj_R]

The fact that there are White SeeD lying dead on the ground mean it is the future or anywhere near there since there aren't SeeD in the past until Edea got the idea.

Exactly, but FE is ignoring my post ( #534 ), it clearly explains how Ulti CANNOT be from the past. Thank you Christmas for another nugget of ingame fact

Also FE you only answered one of my questions and that last post about Odine helping us has no ingame facts to even suggest such complex craziness.

I request answers to my other valid questions and some ingame evidence proving it.

[Future Esthar]

The fact that there are White SeeD lying dead on the ground mean it is the future or anywhere near there since there aren't SeeD in the past until Edea got the idea.

1-How do you know they are White Seed?
2-White SeeD were part of the other children raised on the orphanage which were onboard Edea´s ship.
They were brought on the Ragnarok from their eras.
The adults we see on the present were descendents of the ones we see on the Castle.Therefore it´s not strange that they dress the same way.
Edea knows these patriarcs and their families but she just don´t remember.So she thinks the children were suns of persons she doesn´t know.
3-Nothing suggests they are called White Seed (already explained the dress thingy).

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

it says in the game that they are white SeeD. squall realizes this.

[Noj_R]

it says in the game that they are white SeeD. squall realizes this.

Exactly, Squall himself says they are dead white seeds, and I have already proven that Ultimecia is from the future NOT the past, so we can drop this whole Ulti from the past theory thing...

[Christmas]

1-How do you know they are White Seed?

1- How do you know Squall is a propagator?

2-White SeeD were part of the other children raised on the orphanage which were onboard Edea´s ship.

2-Propagators were part of the inhabitants inside the Raganrok spaceship.

They were brought on the Ragnarok from their eras.

They weren't brought to Disneyland by whatever means.

The adults we see on the present were descendents of the ones we see on the Castle.Therefore it´s not strange that they dress the same way.

The propagators we see in the game attack whoever that they encounter. Therefore it's not strange that they attack Squall.

Edea knows these patriarcs and their families but she just don´t remember.So she thinks the children were suns of persons she doesn´t know.

Squall know these and kill all of them so no one will ever get hurt by them again.

3-Nothing suggests they are called White Seed (already explained the dress thingy).

3- Nothing suggests that Squall and the others are propagators (already explained the whatever thingy you are explaining.)

EDIT: Ya, they dressed like White SeeD, looks like White SeeD, died like White SeeD but they aren't White SeeD. Like how Squall look and dressed like Squall but is actually PuPu throughout the game.

[Future Esthar]

Ya, they dressed like White SeeD, looks like White SeeD, died like White SeeD but they aren't White SeeD.

And were patriarcs of White Seed.That´s why they look similar.And we can not make the assumption that their clothes were made by Garden and were Seed clothes.
What if the clothes were made by themselves?Maybe ancient Centra civilization clothes?

Exactly, Squall himself says they are dead white seeds

And is this even proof of something?

Squall THINKS he is on the future.

and I have already proven that Ultimecia is from the future NOT the past, so we can drop this whole Ulti from the past theory thing...

No,you don´t.You just left unanswered questions(which I have yet to answer).

[Christmas]

And were patriarcs of White Seed.That´s why they look similar.And we can not make the assumption that their clothes were made by Garden and were Seed clothes.
What if the clothes were made by themselves?Maybe ancient Centra civilization clothes?

You too cannot make the assumption that Squall isn't PuPu just because he dun dress or look like it. What if Squall is putting on a disguise? Maybe the ancient Centra people taught him to do so. So I hereby declare that Squall is actually PuPu in other words PuPu is the real and true hero of FF VIII.

Anyone that post after me support this theory.

[Omnislash07]

Im in total agreement why cant you see it FE? Pupu is the true hero to FFVIII. In fact i bet that Pupu's race is at war with the Propogators and that is why Squall/Pupu was attacked on the Ragnarok. And all the monsters that you fight around the world are actually the decendants of mutated propogators. Wow its all so clear now, the stories hidden meaning of how there is a secret war between aliens raging on the FF8 planet. Christmas you are a genius for figuring out Squall's true identity.

[Noj_R]

Actually, there is evidence. First Odine says she is from the future, we can assume he tells the truth. Second, Odine obviously doesnt have the JME yet or else Squall and co. would destroy it, so it must be made in the future. Third, Ellone only has the power to "teleport" BACK in time not FORWARD. In the whole game she never goes forward in time, thus Ultimecia must be reaching back for Ellone as she cant go forward since Ellone doesnt possess that power. If she did, it would have been shown undoubtedly. So, Ulti is undisputably from the future.

This is proof that Ulti is from the future. For your whole theory to work you are saying that Odine is manipulating people through the JME which is mimicing Ellone's power. But what you probably missed is that Ellone and the JME can only send a person's consciousness into another in the past and they CANNOT manipulate anything. All they can do is watch the past happen again. Squall and Ellone tried to change the past and they concluded that it cannot be done. So if Odine used the JME he would be unable to control anyone. Through this irrefutable evidence, we can conclude Ultimecia IS in fact from the future and Odine is telling the truth.

Your theory cannot work because of this ingame evidence.

And were patriarcs of White Seed.That´s why they look similar.And we can not make the assumption that their clothes were made by Garden and were Seed clothes.
What if the clothes were made by themselves?Maybe ancient Centra civilization clothes?

They live on the ship, not garden. They make their own clothes and they have almost no contact without outside influences. Were they not appointed by Garden to protect Ellone? Your statement is true except for the fact that they maybe Centra Clothes. No, they are an offshoot of garden to protect Ellone.

Squall THINKS he is on the future.

Squall isnt in the future, or the past, or the present. He is in Time Compression.

You just left unanswered questions(which I have yet to answer).

Yes, and I await the answers with great anticipation...:rolleyes2

Oh yes! And Christmas thank you for revealing the true identity of our hero Squall. Long Live PuPu!

[Future Esthar]

This is proof that Ulti is from the future. For your whole theory to work you are saying that Odine is manipulating people through the JME which is mimicing Ellone's power. But what you probably missed is that Ellone and the JME can only send a person's consciousness into another in the past and they CANNOT manipulate anything. All they can do is watch the past happen again. Squall and Ellone tried to change the past and they concluded that it cannot be done. So if Odine used the JME he would be unable to control anyone.

But the doctor is lying.This is an obvious consequence of my theory.

"Odine:This is a secret to surprise you.It´s because of me.
I was possessing these sorceresses because I wanna take over the world.

Squall sets the alarm and a bunch of Esthar soldiers appears and puts Odine on jail"
GAME OVER.

Of course this is absurd.

Actually, there is evidence. First Odine says she is from the future, we can assume he tells the truth. Second, Odine obviously doesnt have the JME yet or else Squall and co. would destroy it, so it must be made in the future.

Same as above.

Third, Ellone only has the power to "teleport" BACK in time not FORWARD. In the whole game she never goes forward in time, thus Ultimecia must be reaching back for Ellone as she cant go forward since Ellone doesnt possess that power. If she did, it would have been shown undoubtedly. So, Ulti is undisputably from the future.

Prove to me Ulti even possess someone(she isn´t).
I already explained Ulti´s role on the game.
It is the doctor who possesses everyone.

No, they are an offshoot of garden to protect Ellone.

Where is this stated on the game?

[Desert Wolf]

You too cannot make the assumption that Squall isn't PuPu just because he dun dress or look like it. What if Squall is putting on a disguise? Maybe the ancient Centra people taught him to do so. So I hereby declare that Squall is actually PuPu in other words PuPu is the real and true hero of FF VIII.

Anyone that post after me support this theory.

hmmmmm.That makes sence.So that means that if Pupu is actually Squall in descuise then Squall is possesing the fake Pupu.But since its a pointless thing for him to do he can only be under the influence of Dr.Odine.But if Dr.Odine is Hyne then that means that Zell is actually Squalls mother.So Zell wont let Squall into his room cause he'll see the baby pictures.

So that means Laguna isnt actually Squalls father.So if thats correct then FE can only be Squalls father but had to return to the past where he posts from now so thats why theres no mention of this in the game.Whos with me?

[Zanius]

hmmmmm.That makes sence.So that means that if Pupu is actually Squall in descuise then Squall is possesing the fake Pupu.But since its a pointless thing for him to do he can only be under the influence of Dr.Odine.But if Dr.Odine is Hyne then that means that Zell is actually Squalls mother.So Zell wont let Squall into his room cause he'll see the baby pictures.

Zell's dirty secrets... :rolleyes2 it means that Zell (it’s Zellia?!)... oh Lord...

So that means Laguna isnt actually Squalls father.So if thats correct then FE can only be Squalls father but had to return to the past where he posts from now so thats why theres no mention of this in the game.Whos with me?

Use the Balamb Garden, or the Ragnarock to return to the past, they are time machines...
Oh man...

I can't see the relationship with the Pupu and the Propogators with our main characters... can someone explain me...

[Desert Wolf]

Yes but if your wondering how the Ragnarok can travel time then here it is.Its simple it need Hotdogs!It needs them for fuel.It was hotdogs that took Zell/Zellia's love away.Hence his hatred of them.Thats why he want to eat all the hotdogs in the world!

[Future Esthar]

You are kidding but The hotdogs can really contain part of the fuel for the time machines.