not metal by your standards CH, maybe you should try to realise that death metal isnt the only metal out there, there is also good metal which includes the scorpions and Rammestein who are most definetly metal. I could just as easily say that the metal you listen to isnt metal because it is full of people grunting and contains no musical talent, but it is because it is just another branch of metal, please respect thr other forms of metal or do not post at all.
Anyway this is a maiden thread so lets get back on topic