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Thread: Is Ultemicha Rinoa's great grandaughter or were her powerz passed on to some1 else?

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    Eh. Basically what I was saying. Mayhaps I should sleep, so as to avoid further errant wordsteps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
    SapphireStar, not to be an obdurate ass, but you can't call it both a theory and just an opinion. Of course, it would have to simply be your opinion, since it's a grand deciever argument, and fails by default.

    Hmmm...I could have sworn that the above quote said something slightly different when it was originally posted...maybe it's just my imagination...

    EDIT:A theory and an opinion can be the same thing, and at times they are the same thing. A theory is below the level of a "natural law," therefore it is not accepted as a cold fact and can have variations and opinions attached to its main bodily premise.

    EXAMPLE: Theory of evolution. Not proven and there has been contradicting scientific evidence which puts the entire idea of human evolution in serious doubt. Based on these established facts, evolution can be regarded as an opinion amongst scientists, but it is also still a theory. Therefore, a theory and an opinion are not mutually exclusive and often can be labled as the same thing. In the scientific community, a theory progresses to the level of "natural law" only when it is overwhelming confirmed as fact through factual evidence.
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    This thread is not about discussing the differences between theory/opinion/hypothesis/whatever. Stay on topic please.
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    ok ok, but perhaps the reason ultemchia's face appears on rinaos is because her powers eventually reached ultemicha in the future. So a part of rinoa is in ultemchia

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    All discussion on theory vs opinion aside, as Leeza said, the fact remains that there is not actually anything which 'hints' at the whole ending being simply a glimpse inside Rinoas now insane mind, or anything along those lines. Not only does it go completely against everything the game has built up to, it also goes completely against what Square tend to do with their endings. Of course, they might have decided to do something crazy for this FF ending, but as there's been no clues about any such thing, I highly doubt it.

    That being said, you can of course believe whatever you want, but logically/rationally speaking, the theory is no more plausible than, say, theories that Ellone = Ultimecia or so on (ie. not plausible at all).

    Now to get back on topic:

    ok ok, but perhaps the reason ultemchia's face appears on rinaos is because her powers eventually reached ultemicha in the future. So a part of rinoa is in ultemchia
    Definitely. Rinoa says in the Ragnarok that her powers will eventually reach Ultimecia, and since, according to Odine, Rinoa is the last sorceress of her era, Ultimecias powers MUST come from Rinoa. This is why Rinoa and Ultimecia are linked through things like their wings (Rinoas being white, representing the good that can come from her powers; Ultimecias being black, representing the evil that can come from them) and so on. These facts are often mistinterpreted as hinting that Rinoa is Ultimecia, but that is unfounded. Rinoa and Ultimecia are deliberately set against eachother as opposites, but nothing more.

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    Can I just quickly say, I thought he was calling me an arse hence the reason I reported it. Sorry bout that, but I still stick by that theory.

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    Alright, they are not descendents, but from the R U theory i dont see how that can work either since Rinoas parents are julia and genral carlway. I think i would agree with Sir Bahamut on syaing that rinoa and ultemchia are set against each other with the wing theory.

    Also i think we could find more answers with a link i was wondering about before. The link consists of the following.

    1: The starting FMV
    2: The Ending FMV

    In the starting it shows a feather falling from the sky, And im not sure but during the end it shows squall grabing the feather and then the whole screen changes. This feather is also in Squalls gunblade i beileve. THERE IS A CONNECTION. The feather starts the game thus ends it. When you die and it says game over the feather is on the floor, When Squall almost dies at the end of the game the feather appears again but squall was in his depression at the time, it was the only thing keeping him alive along with Rinoas thoughts. But that was what almost killed him after the glass shattered. Rinoa goes to the 'place they will meet' at the start of the game but squall isnt there, but they hadnt actually made that promise yet. Thus rinoa didnt know who squall was, but squall had the feather in his gunblade which supposly flew in to the sky from the 'place they would meet'. There is something about this feather. I got ot go now but ill be investigating this now.

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    Ultemicha. Wow, someone found a new way to misspell Ultimecia...

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    I don't think that ultimecia is rinoa's relative. In the duration of the game, none of the witches we see give their powers to a relative or even have children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rubah
    I don't think that ultimecia is rinoa's relative. In the duration of the game, none of the witches we see give their powers to a relative or even have children.
    But they do transder their powers to somebody, and there's nothing that says they cannot transfer their powers to a relative.

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    True, but considering Rinoa's feelings about being a sorceress, I doubt she'd want her children to go through the same thing.

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