Goth Music / Culture

[Vincent Valentine]

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Crushed Hope and Ultimortal: Please guys, keep my thread civil if you're going to argue your point.

Lets clarify a few points that have been raised so far.

1) Cradle of Filth are not goth. And they most definately aren't goth metal. Their music bares no similarites to the goth style of music, which as already stated, is an idustrial derived sound that blends some elements from EBM and darkwave music. In general. There are always exceptions, of course.

2)The Cure are a goth band. They are also a huge part of the goth subculture. This is a basic fact. Anyone would has spent ten minutes in the culutre knows this.

3) Trent Reznor is a known goth, but this does not make his music goth. It is industrial.

No band could really be considered merely gothic metal. It is a way too vague term to use without a description of what the actual metal part of the music is like.

I have to disagree with that. Ever heard of Tristania? They are, and always have been defined as a goth (not gothic) metal band. They music derived elements from the goth genre, but it is very clearly a metal sound. There are other goth metal bands out there, though I've haven't had to the chance to get into them.

(I'm one of the few goths who accept goth metal as a legitimate genre. Many don't)

And I've never understood why the word goth has become associated with art and architecture of the dark ages and sometimes later. Who decided to call that gothic, and why?

I think you may have your terms mixed up slightly. Gothic architecture from architecture from the dark ages, as you are correct in stated. Definiton of something GOTHIC tends to refer to something that is dark, evil looking or grotesque to most people's eyes. Since goth music tends to focus almost exclusively on dark imagery and sounds, it gained that name to describe the genre.