Goth Music / Culture

[Vincent Valentine]

(Whee! My first post in... nearly four years! )

PLEASE NOTE: This thread is intended for discussion on things that actually exist within the real Goth genre/subculture. Simply put; If you've never heard of at least half the bands listed below (just examples, obviously not a full list), please don't even bother posting.

The Cure
Dead Can Dance
The Sisters of Mercy
Fields of the Nephilim
Siouxsie & The Banshees
The Crüxshadows
Christian Death
Joy Division
Bauhaus

What is not goth:

NIN
Slipknot
Nightwish
Evanescense
Cradle of Filth
Marilyn Manson
My Chemical Romance
And all the other obvious examples...

If you believe any of the above to be gothic bands, then please don't post. Go out and educate yourself about the culture, and then we can talk.

I won't allow this thread to degenerate into a bitch-fest about the attitudes of angst ridden teenagers who label themselves "Goth", without any true understanding of the label. If you wish to critizise the label (as some undoubtadly will), do some research before doing so. If this threads starts getting spamed in such a fashion, I would ask the moderators to please close it for me.

Opinions on the culture and music genre are fine, as long as they're well informed (and remotely civil) ones.

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If there are real followers of the goth subculture in here, or even just fans of the music genre, make your faces known.

Below are a few questions, just to get the discussion ball rolling, but free free to add your own two cents on anything else you feel may be relevant to the subject matter.

Who are your favourite bands?

What are your favourite songs?

What is your local scene like, if you have one?

What are your views on the modern media's butchering and mis-informed views of the sub-culture, and what represents it?

[GhandiOwnsYou]

damn, throwbacks. how long has it been since you showed up around here? WB

have to love Joy Division and Bauhaus, the cure is quite a bit too poppy at times for me, but stuff like "Burn" brings it all back to lovely. the whole Industrial-Goth genre has been a main interest for a while now, lately theres been a lot of Skinny Puppy and Wumpscutt. But right now, and i'll probably get negative respect points for it, It's all NIN. They're playing richmond tuesday, and my happy arse will be right in the middle of the pit. love em or hate em for being to popular or not goth enough, the music is incredible.

and as a last note, good luck keeping the hate and spite from descending upon this thread in an awesome wave...

[Madame Adequate]

My parents were really into goth music, so I grew up with a lot of it. I didn't know Siouxsie would be classed as Goth, though. Just me. Anyway, I love her, and I like Joy Division and Bauhaus as well. But that's about all.

Except those guys from Hawaii, but I have no idea what they're called. Totally great though.

[jrgen]

Yes, I like bands like Janus, Lacrimosa, Adversus, Samsas Traum, Umbra Et Imago, Eisheilig, Dorn, ASP and Letzte Instanz. Some of these are gothic rock, some are gothic metal. I'm not particulary fond of any of the bands you listed, so I suppose I'm not a true goth. Although I do live in the geographical area Gothland/Gothia.

[dante the demon prince]

cradle of filth the best thing about being goth

[Jsb01]

I like otep

[dante the demon prince]

i.c.p. insane clown posse

[Jsb01]

they are okay, I just don't like the Juggalos...

[dante the demon prince]

i love adema to and marilyn manson and alice cooper

[Jsb01]

Marliyn Manson used to be one of my favorites

[dante the demon prince]

he got married and it is my dream wedding i may be male but ive always dreemed of a black wedding

[Vincent Valentine]

i love adema to and marilyn manson and alice cooper

I'm sorry to be so blunt about this dante, but none of the bands you've mentioned are goth bands.

I would suggest you do some research.

Goth is music based sub-culture, born out of the ashes of the punk movement in the late 1980's. It's a very specific style of music, based heavily (but not excluvisly) on elements from industrial, EBM and darkwave music.

Have you ever listened to any of the bands I listed in my first post? I would suggest you please do, and look up on the true definition of the culture (and not the modern media obsessed one), before you true the label around so frankly.

Yes, I like bands like Janus, Lacrimosa, Adversus, Samsas Traum, Umbra Et Imago, Eisheilig, Dorn, ASP and Letzte Instanz. Some of these are gothic rock, some are gothic metal. I'm not particulary fond of any of the bands you listed, so I suppose I'm not a true goth. Although I do live in the geographical area Gothland/Gothia.

Oh, the bands I listed were just the most obvious, generic examples, to help make the point of the thread clear. It wasn't my intention to make it a comprehensive list.

I'll admit that I haven't heard of most of the bands you've listened, but I would certainly be interested in doing so. Could you describe one or two of them for me, so I'll know what I'm listening to?

I didn't know Siouxsie would be classed as Goth, though.

Possibly not, but there are accepted as a "goth" band mainly because they were of the true forefathers (mothers?) of the culture. They helped start it all.

[dante the demon prince]

ok i hate punk so me no more post here

[VorpalCyberWolf]

I'm actually not that familiar with Goth music, never knew what to hunt down (Granted I was always educated enough to know that there is a Real Goth Culture, etc and that the bands in the above "Not Goth" Category were indeed Not Goth, so theres a start at the least.)

Since I am always into broadening my Musical Horizon I would like to check it out. Are there any bands in particular that I should start listening to first?

[Crushed Hope]

Lacrimosa and Dead Can Dance are essentially all that Goth music has that is worth listening to.