And I had such an inocent image of her.

[Future Esthar]

Yes,I know but:

I see.
Seed is necessary then.
But then why don´t they use my idea on the plan to defeat Ulti?
This time using Rinoa instead of Edea of course.
Seed would not need to go to the future anymore.
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[Sir Bahamut]

Because even if your idea is correct (ie. that someone possessing someone dying also dies), which you so far have not proven, it seems unlikely that anyone in the game would be aware of it...

[Moon Rabbits]

Yes,they are necessary for somethings but not for defeting Ulti.
Just teach Ellone using her ability and she would protect herself like a god.

Who could teach her? Only she knows how to use the power.

Because even if your idea is correct (ie. that someone possessing someone dying also dies), which you so far have not proven, it seems unlikely that anyone in the game would be aware of it...

Yes, Ellone had not sent anyone back into a dying person and nor did she have a reason to, so if it is possible to kill someone in this method it is unknown to anyone.

[Future Esthar]

Yes, Ellone had not sent anyone back into a dying person and nor did she have a reason to, so if it is possible to kill someone in this method it is unknown to anyone.

Actually it is the player who decides that by letting someone die on the past on one of the "Laguna dreams"
And the end result is:
The person inside the one dying in the past also gets dead on the present.

[X Masta]

Now, what if you let Laguna and Co. die? How could that happen because if you were seeing in the past and they die, then Squall can't be born to view that in the past.

[Qurange]

If you're referring to KO status in battle, that's not death--that's being rendered unable to keep fighting. (Wounded, tired, whatever, but still alive, as they do continue to walk about, participate in dialogue, and generally not cause trauma to their friends.) Phoenix Downs and Life magic don't do anything for the actually dead, after all.

[X Masta]

I know if one person gets Ko'd, but I mean the enitre party because then the game ends meaning they died.

[Moon Rabbits]

I know if one person gets Ko'd, but I mean the enitre party because then the game ends meaning they died.

Purely a gameplay aspect, making Laguna dream sequences un-loseable would be a bad idea.

Ellone cannot kill with her power, it's as simple as that. If death is transferred through Ellone's ability then logically so would all damages, meaning that the person in Ward's body at the time of the Lunatic Pandora incident wouldn't be able to talk, like I said before. This person can still talk after that, so it proves that Ellone's power doesn't transfer any change in one's vital signs (other than KO/HP counts, but once again, PURELY GAMEPLAY).

[X Masta]

Purely a gameplay aspect, making Laguna dream sequences un-loseable would be a bad idea.

Why would it be a bad idea? It would give you an explanation that they can't get killed while in a dream. The only people that can decide if its a gameplay or storyline aspect is Square.

[Moon Rabbits]

Purely a gameplay aspect, making Laguna dream sequences un-loseable would be a bad idea.

Why would it be a bad idea? It would give you an explanation that they can't get killed while in a dream. The only people that can decide if its a gameplay or storyline aspect is Square.

Give me proof besides that that you can be killed in the past and I'll believe you, but FE's argument on this isnt really substantial.

[Future Esthar]

Laguna and company did not die on the past on the excavation site because our heros heal were transferred to them.
They recover and when they are fully recovered our heros were on the prision and their consciousness were sent to the past.They recover their health.Squall is therefore alive.

This is also what happens with Propagators .
When one dies,another one with the same color gets inside the dead one transferring their health.Of course,there is a third one who has the ability to transfer the consciousness.

[Moon Rabbits]

Laguna and company did not die on the past on the excavation site because our heros heal were transferred to them.
They recover and when they are fully recovered our heros were on the prision and their consciousness were sent to the past.They recover their health.Squall is therefore alive.

I didn't mean Laguna and Co. died at the Lunatic, I meant that Ward lost his voice permamently, thus whoever you sent back into him should of logically lost theirs if the game worked by your ideas.

[Future Esthar]

That would make as sense as saying that Zell gets fat after being sent inside Ward.

[Moon Rabbits]

That would make as sense as saying that Zell gets fat after being sent inside Ward.

Um...no, because one's weight is a physical characteristic...not a mental one, like being conscious or not being able to speak. Why would only certain mental characteristics be transferred and not others, like the inability to speak...you've yet to answer my question.

[Ryushikaze]

Esthar, the point is that you're arguing that the physical ailment of death would be inflicted upon the viewer, when we know from Ward's incident that physical ailments are NOT transferred to the viewer.