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    Being inable to talk in this case was a physical threat.

    Esthar, the point is that you're arguing that the physical ailment of death would be inflicted upon the viewer, when we know from Ward's incident that physical ailments are NOT transferred to the viewer.
    I do not believe anyway that the transferring thing was pure gameplay aspect.

    "Propagators are only one entity"

    When a person gets an eye blind the other donīt get automatically blind.
    However when one gets hurt letting blood fall all the body suffer the consequences.

    This example helps explaining how the hurt gets transferred but not the throat damage.
    One can think of the Propagators as a unique body on a Minkovsky space(time-space continuum).

    If one projects this body in a spatial instance plane what one gets?
    Sorceress Adel.Of course this proccess is not automatic.
    The body somehow gets broked and itīs pieces need to get glued using a special magic.

    This Minkovsky bond is what enables the "dream" thingy I think.
    However Ellone is the only one who knows how to use this ability.
    The other ones forgot.

    It is like human beings.Our brain can do many things behound our imagination.
    But humans only use about 20% of their brains.
    One needs to learn how to use the other 80%.
    But the functionalities are there.
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    Where's the base for your argument FE? I don't recall anyone saying that all humans can do what Elloen does...

    And propagators are totally different, they exist in the same time period, AND they have a different connection...but then again i dont remember them being the same entity at all.

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    I believe when Future Esthar mentions the Propagators are the same entity, it means that they have a symbiotic relationship to heal each other.

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    but then again i dont remember them being the same entity at all.
    It is stated in the game.
    But did you understand why the example I give explains how HP hurt is transferred but not throath hurt?
    I believe when Future Esthar mentions the Propagators are the same entity, it means that they have a symbiotic relationship to heal each other.
    I myself would not say it better.
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    Flo:Ok,let it be on 3:45

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Esthar
    but then again i dont remember them being the same entity at all.
    It is stated in the game.
    But did you understand why the example I give explains how HP hurt is transferred but not throath hurt?
    Nope, I don't get how that explains your idea about HP/KOd status transfer between time...Propagators are totally different, and also exist in the same time period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Esthar
    When a person gets an eye blind the other donīt get automatically blind.
    However when one gets hurt letting blood fall all the body suffer the consequences.
    Really? Give some evidence to support this. Even with the Propagators, this isn't the case. You kill one, it has no effect on the others. If your idea here was true, killing one of the Propagators would instantly kill all the others.

    Also, give any evidence that connects the Propagators to humans in any way before you attempt to use them as a logical argument for what happened to human beings. They are not the same type of creatures, and to think that they follow the same rules as humans is an entirely unwarranted assumption.
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    No, FE, you can't handwave this'n. You are arguing that death, an alteration of the physical state of the host, will be reflected with a similar alteration on the physical state of the observer.

    Ward proves that this is not the case.

    All you have is that being KO'd transfers. However, being KO'd is purely a gameplay aspect (for example- Squall still interacts with the worldmap and people when KO'd), so this argument is perilously weak against the fact that Ward's posessee shows no signs of his injury, despite the injury occuring while the party is still piggybacking Laguna and Co.

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    I already explained that:
    When a person gets an eye blind the other donīt get automatically blind.
    However when one gets hurt letting blood fall all the body suffer the consequences.
    This was an example to explain how is it possible to transfer HP damage but not throat damage.
    Flo:Honey,the clock is late.Go out fix it.
    Mayor Dobe:What hours is it?
    Flo: 15:30
    Mayor Dobe:Hey do you wanna to send the Estharians to Centra or what?
    Flo:Ok,let it be on 3:45

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    explain throat damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Esthar
    I already explained that:
    When a person gets an eye blind the other donīt get automatically blind.
    However when one gets hurt letting blood fall all the body suffer the consequences.
    This was an example to explain how is it possible to transfer HP damage but not throat damage.
    That doesn't explain it, and even if it did the whole body DOES suffer from the loss of sight in one eye.

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    Alright,I see I canīt convince you.
    From now this will become an overall theory thread.
    Flo:Honey,the clock is late.Go out fix it.
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    Flo: 15:30
    Mayor Dobe:Hey do you wanna to send the Estharians to Centra or what?
    Flo:Ok,let it be on 3:45

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    can someone explain the difference between HP damage and throat damage in the game?

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    HP damage-The loss of HP
    Throat damage-loosing ability to speak.
    First usually leads to latter.
    But it doesnīt mean they are the same.
    Flo:Honey,the clock is late.Go out fix it.
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    Flo: 15:30
    Mayor Dobe:Hey do you wanna to send the Estharians to Centra or what?
    Flo:Ok,let it be on 3:45

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    i see.

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    second leads to first,I mean.
    Flo:Honey,the clock is late.Go out fix it.
    Mayor Dobe:What hours is it?
    Flo: 15:30
    Mayor Dobe:Hey do you wanna to send the Estharians to Centra or what?
    Flo:Ok,let it be on 3:45

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