Similarities between my theories on FF8 and Chrono Cross

[Future Esthar]

I will post the equivalences between FF8 and Chrono Chross.
This will be updated from time to time.
Try to see it for yourself now.They will be discussed later.

1-Edea´s House beach->Opassa beach.

2-Ultimecia->Schala

3-Griever->Time Devourer

4-Esthar->Dead sea

5-Pupu->Starky

6->Balamb Garden->Chronopolis

7-Propagators->Dragon Gods

8-Adel->Time Devourer (first form)

WOTC theory->TCA(Time compressed Archipelago) theory

9-Edea->Linx

10-Odine->Baltasar?(if Odine is good)Fate?(if he is bad)


11-Fishermans Horizon->Bend of time?Guldove?

12->Centra Civilization->Reptite race

13->Winhill Civilization->Human race

That´s all for now.If you think on my theories on FF8 you will get some of the relations on Chrono Cross.(For example,the Garden is a time travelling machine and Esthar is on the future).

[Lionheart00]

Fe......im gonna have to agree with you on all this......your theories are mostly based on speculation but great speculation at that.....I mean.....what else can you do with a game besides see it or play it.......

[atlanteay]

i've never played Chrono Cross so none of those things above make much sense. It does show that you've put in a lot of effort thinking those up.

[cloud21zidane16]

that seems pretty accurate, what made you first think that they are similar?

[Hyperion4444]

How about Sephiroth FFVII and Lloyd LoD?
1-He's pretty strong in the begining and you can't compete with him then.
2-You cross the world in shearch to destroy him to stop his evil plans.
3-You never seem to arrive on time before he escapes.
4-The Final Boss on disk 3.
5-Platinum Blond Hair.
6-Used to be a hero for his cause.
7-Dress in Black.
8-More than human.
9-Has a deadly sword.
10-Kills off one important character in the game...
11-...mostly at the end of disk one.
12-Is being controlled by someone else.
13-Uses a Masamune as standart sword.
14-Wants to destroy the world...
15-... With one big rock! (Planet)

[Future Esthar]

What is LoD?

14-Lunatic Pandora->Terra Tower

15-Ifrit->Lavos

It´s easy to understand how the Garden time travels.
The gauge seems to be made of a special material,crystal-like.It looks like a piece of the crystal pillar.It probably distorts gravity.
When it rotates,it´s field rotates also.According to Lucca,a rotation field enables time travel.

[Hyperion4444]

LOD=Legend of Dragoon
Never heard of it?
Great Game!

[Ryushikaze]

I will post the equivalences between FF8 and Chrono Chross.
This will be updated from time to time.
Try to see it for yourself now.They will be discussed later.

1-Edea´s House beach->Opassa beach.

Both are Beaches.

2-Ultimecia->Schala

There is no similarity between Ultimecia and Schala.

3-Griever->Time Devourer

Visually, no, and there's nothing else to suggest they are similar.

4-Esthar->Dead sea

Esthar is not a time frozen dead land stuck outside of time and space.

5-Pupu->Starky

In that both are talking things, yes, but otherwise no.

6->Balamb Garden->Chronopolis

Even with your theories, there's not a lot in common between the places.

7-Propagators->Dragon Gods

No. Just... No.

8-Adel->Time Devourer (first form)

Both are ugly. Otherwise, no.

WOTC theory->TCA(Time compressed Archipelago) theory

TCA? Don't tell me you've made a theory about CC and are trying to justify it that way?

9-Edea->Linx

This I'll give you. Both are parental figures used by the main evil for their own nefarious ends.

10-Odine->Baltasar?(if Odine is good)Fate?(if he is bad)

You're not even sure about this one, and you're asking us to weigh it?

11-Fishermans Horizon->Bend of time?Guldove?

No. Remember, you can't take your postulate as true.

12->Centra Civilization->Reptite race

Only in that they were both wiped out by a cataclysm at their height. But the Centra people are the same species as the people of Winhill, Balamb, Galbadia, etc.

13->Winhill Civilization->Human race

No. Because there is no "Winhill Civilization". It's part of Galbadia.

That´s all for now.If you think on my theories on FF8 you will get some of the relations on Chrono Cross.(For example,the Garden is a time travelling machine and Esthar is on the future).

Except neither is true. Because you've not provided evidence one that either is true.

[QUOTE=Future Esthar;2243958]What is LoD?

14-Lunatic Pandora->Terra Tower

Elaborate.

15-Ifrit->Lavos

If you think there is anything similar about Ifrit and Lavos, you need to replay either FF or CT.

It´s easy to understand how the Garden time travels.
The gauge seems to be made of a special material,crystal-like.It looks like a piece of the crystal pillar.It probably distorts gravity.

Garden does not time travel. If you wish to say it does, back it up. Similarly with your claim that the 'gauge' is a piece of the pillar or that it distorts gravity.

When it rotates,it´s field rotates also.According to Lucca,a rotation field enables time travel.

So, when I spin a magnet, I enable time travel? Not all field rotation involves time travel,FE.

[Dr. Acula]

So what? They're similar. It doesn't prove any of your theories.

[McLovin']

What's your point? The games have some similarities...woo hoo....

[Future Esthar]

Originally Bespoken by Future Esthar
I will post the equivalences between FF8 and Chrono Chross.
This will be updated from time to time.
Try to see it for yourself now.They will be discussed later.

1-Edea´s House beach->Opassa beach.


Both are Beaches.

At the sowthwestern tip of a land and where you proceed to the end of the game.Voila.

2-Ultimecia->Schala
There is no similarity between Ultimecia and Schala.


3-Griever->Time Devourer
Visually, no, and there's nothing else to suggest they are similar.

In both cases they join at the end of the game on special places to negate space and time.Schala is also blonde.And she speaks near the end.R=U theorists will also see the similarities between Schala looking for Serge and Rinoa looking for Squall.If this don´t convince you that the games are related,then what else?

6->Balamb Garden->Chronopolis
Even with your theories, there's not a lot in common between the places.

Without my theories you have the physical similarities,the fact that there is a B1 level,it has many levels(the Garden have 3 levels but the bridge can be counted as a fourth).There is a boss on B1.It rests on an island.The quad is to the west and in an open place (when the Garden moves it has water around) resembling the harbor of Chronopolis(where Starky charges the gadget).The elevator is on the middle and the place
with the minirobot can be regarded as the MD level(I admit this last one is farfetched but we had to give it a try).

7-Propagators->Dragon Gods
No. Just... No.


8-Adel->Time Devourer (first form)
Both are ugly. Otherwise, no.

The Propagators are all a single entity trying to maintain their colony.
There is only ONE CC equivalent-The Dragon Gods.A single entity,the Time Devourer was divided into 6 different entities.
The Time Devourer appears atop Terra Tower which is the equivalent to the Lunatic Pandora.Which means that the TD is the equivalent to Adel.More on Lunatic Pandora later.

WOTC theory->TCA(Time compressed Archipelago) theory
TCA? Don't tell me you've made a theory about CC and are trying to justify it that way?

Ignore this by know.This was just an introduction to later theories.Just for curiosity.

10-Odine->Baltasar?(if Odine is good)Fate?(if he is bad)
You're not even sure about this one, and you're asking us to weigh it?

It´s a conditional,Ryu.I am also here to learn from you,not just the opposite.

11-Fishermans Horizon->Bend of time?Guldove?
No. Remember, you can't take your postulate as true.

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12->Centra Civilization->Reptite race
Only in that they were both wiped out by a cataclysm at their height. But the Centra people are the same species as the people of Winhill, Balamb, Galbadia, etc.

13->Winhill Civilization->Human race
No. Because there is no "Winhill Civilization". It's part of Galbadia.

This will be explained on the Esthar part.

14-Lunatic Pandora->Terra Tower
Elaborate.

Terra tower is a floating place we must go just before the end boss
The same goes with LP.
Note also the similarity between the shape of the Pillar and the shape of the tower atop(without the land).Both look like a sand clock.

15-Ifrit->Lavos
If you think there is anything similar about Ifrit and Lavos, you need to replay either FF or CT.

There is so much to say about this that I will not made this subject my priority.
I know why you are surprised.Comparing the first boss of a game(unimportant to the storyline) with the major boss of another.

It´s easy to understand how the Garden time travels.
The gauge seems to be made of a special material,crystal-like.It looks like a piece of the crystal pillar.It probably distorts gravity.
Garden does not time travel. If you wish to say it does, back it up. Similarly with your claim that the 'gauge' is a piece of the pillar or that it distorts gravity.


When it rotates,it´s field rotates also.According to Lucca,a rotation field enables time travel.
So, when I spin a magnet, I enable time travel? Not all field rotation involves time travel,FE.

This was explained on Chronopolis.
I am not referring to the normal rotation of the gauge we usually see on the field.
It´s a very fast rotation.
This fast rotation happens when we try to cross the Trabia Crater.
This rotation is probably of Cosmological proportions to generate a space-time distortion.
A lot of energy is needed to go from the Trabia+Balamb era to Grandid+Mordred era.
This fast rotation also happens in other places but the gauge is underwater and we don´t see it.The only exception is when crossing from Galbadia to Winhill but the time difference is so little that it happens quickly.

4-Esthar->Dead sea
Esthar is not a time frozen dead land stuck outside of time and space.

Both are eastern
Both are futuristic
Both are difficult to enter.
There were people coming from them to the outside world.

From here I theorize that the holographic wall divide two different eras.
I think that Esthar city is Winhill on the future.So Estharians are Winhillians.
That´s why I said that the Winhillians represent the human race.
Dr Odine is the evil guy deceiving the Estharians
When some Estharians came to the outside world they built FH.They built it over the flooded Centra castle.
Many years on the future it became the DSRC.Then suddenly,Ice age came about and the waters receded.The remodeled DSRC covered the castle.Balamb Garden was built over both.
Dr Odine manipulated everything to control the Propagators ruling over Centra.
Propagators were very special to the Centra civilization as the Dragon Gods are special to the Reptite race.
See the relation now?

[Ramza Beoulve]

Here are my answer and opiniones from 1 to 6 of your list of equivalences. I'm still writing the others.

[Future Esthar]

I am not saying that there weren´t differences.I am just telling the similarities.
Now,without theories.

1-Edea´s house beach=Opassa beach
Southwestern tip of a land(it didn´t matter the world).
Accessed just before the end
2-Ultimecia->Schala
Both blonde
Both conditioned to a monster
You don´t know Ulti´s hair before.
Both says last words which aren´t menacing.
3-Griever->Time Devourer
See above
4-Esthar->Dead Sea
Both at east
Both futuristic
Both difficult to access
6-Balamb Garden->Chronopolis
I pretty much explained a lot of similarities above.Only the last line relied on a theory.

The pupu thing is obvious but it didn´t matter that much.

[Ramza Beoulve]

I am not saying that there weren´t differences.I am just telling the similarities.
Now,without theories.

1-Edea´s house beach=Opassa beach
Southwestern tip of a land(it didn´t matter the world).
Accessed just before the end

Opassa was accessed also at the beginning, Edea's house not. So? A lot of games have beaches in the southwestern tip of the land. Like Shadow of the Colossus.

2-Ultimecia->Schala
Both blonde
Both conditioned to a monster
You don´t know Ulti´s hair before.
Both says last words which aren´t menacing.

Schala isn't evil, Ultimecia yes. You don't know Ultimecia hair either, In-game Ultimecia's hair is Silver-like. Schala's hair was originally blue, and later blonde, because of a retcon. Schala didn't die, Ultimecia did.

3-Griever->Time Devourer
See above

See what I said about Griever. He isn't controlling Ultimecia, and the Time Devourer controled Schala.

4-Esthar->Dead Sea
Both at east
Both futuristic
Both difficult to access

So? a lot of games have a futuristic city, a difficult to access city, and an east city, so? The designers just mixed up this characteristics.

6-Balamb Garden->Chronopolis
I pretty much explained a lot of similarities above.Only the last line relied on a theory.

The levels of a building have noting to do with anything. In every game, there are buildings with diffent levels. it's an irrevelant type of similarity.

The pupu thing is obvious but it didn´t matter that much.

Then why do you add it?

The games share in-game similarities and in-game homages, like nearly every game made by Square until now. But not to explain theories, just like homages.


Now, I'm not against theories, just try not to make them enter in our minds as if they were the only truth. Neither try to make a religion of it. Just enjoy the game.

Yes, share your theories, and I don't mind if you ask what we think about them. But you are asking what we think, and this is what we think. Some will be assholes, like me, because we don't share the same point of view, but don't try to change our mind, it will not work. Some will be with you, some not. It's a matter of point of view. No one will win, actually, all of us loose. Just share your theories, but just SHARE them.

[Future Esthar]

I know writers can make similar things on different games.
But there are too many coincidences to be random.
Look at the physical similarity between Garden and Chronopolis.It was one of the first things I noticed.