What is her name in the Japanese version?Originally Posted by BG-57
What is her name in the Japanese version?
In the Japanese, I think her name is 'Artemesia' or something similar--basically the same pronunciation, but spelled according to Japanese rules, so I think we can count it as the same name.
Sir Bahamut, I think you're probably right, on that, the more you mention it--I like to think that she didn't /always/ know about it, though, that it wasn't until after events were set into motion that she learned about Ultimecia, and decided to go as far with things as she did. I'm sure that particular history wasn't /common/ knowledge--she probably learned it after she really had problems with SeeD. (Now, it's /possible/ that she was speaking in the general--that he's 'legendary' because it was so long ago, and SeeD is always destined to face the Sorceress--but it's not unreasonable to think that she was thinking of 'Squall' in particular, though I don't think his name survived.)
Then, that just makes for a more interesting story--I mean, I'm sure it was more than just 'Oh, I think I'll say that I'm this legendary Sorceress they're talking about'--there had to be /some/ sort of trigger for her to connect herself with it all, or maybe she just decided that she /would/ be, to deny fate--even if she wasn't aware that it was meant to be hers all along.
-Q
Well, if we are based on the notion that Ultimecia turned to evil because she was persecuted by SeeD already from birth, it seems more plausible that she would have found out about her 'supposed' fate early on in her life, and that her taking of the name Ultimecia was her first challenge against fate, if you will. She wanted to show that even though she took that name she was supposedly fated to take, she would prove fate wrong by nonetheless compressing time and becoming God. It doesn't seem plausible that Ultimecia'd be persecuted all through her early life without ever finding out what she was being persecuted for, at least...
For the record, the Japanese name is something along the lines of "Arutimishia", a play on her being the ultimate sorceress (the spell "Ultima" is called "Arutima" in Japanese).
But why would they have persecuted her without the name? If her name wasnt Ultimecia, say she was just an ordinary child who eventually becomes defiant and takes the name Ultimecia, why would SeeD have a reason to persecute her? She wouldnt have even been a sorceress at birth, yeah?
It's not like SeeD has a lot of information on Ulti, so they wouldnt be able to predict her arrival... by that I mean, they dont know to who she was born, or where, or win. So why would she be persecuted by SeeD from birth unless her name was Ultimecia... and then we arrive at the point of why someone would be named Ultimecia, and whether or not the legend of Ultimecia was known.
I'd say more likely she was persecuted when she became a sorceress (this is assuming that her name was not Ultimecia from birth), and then took the name Ultimecia as this challenge of fate.
Yes, you are quite right. She would have been persecuted when she became a sorceress. If she became a sorceress when very young, one might say 'from birth' but there is of course no way of knowing when she became a sorceress.
shes rinoa duh!!!!!!!!!!!
ummm she's rinoa of course
0_o
Except that she cant be, as confirmed by Square.
Prove it.
Qurange, you may be right about more fanfictions.
Now I have an itch to write one, except my idea is that Ultimecia was a SeeD herself but her friends turned on her when she inherited her powers. Which would give her a personal reason to hate SeeDs.
The only thing is, I'd like to have Griever exist before she meets Squall. Does it have come into existence the moment they meet?
Also I think the name Artemis Winterbourne would suit her (an oblique reference to Jean Renoir's Grand Illusion).
"ummm she's rinoa of course
0_o"
That makes no sense at all. When they're on the space station, while Ultimecia is controlling Rinoa, doesn't she launch her outside the station? If Ultimecia did that to herself from the past, she would cease to exist in the future. And that's not the only part where ultimecia almost kills Rinoa, It just make's np sense.
Square's Ultimania guide for the game states that Sorceress' have normal life spans. And the game states that Ultimecia lives generations into the future. Given that anyone with a normal life span will not live that long, and certainly not be young and spry as Ultimecia, Rinoa is not her.Prove it.
Feel free to search through the forums for links to Ultimania translations, as I really dont feel arsed to at present.
And if you arent up to speed on Ultimanias, they're official companion books for the Final Fantasy games with extra information included.
I've heard the "she's Rinoa" one too many times -_-; I personally think that's crap. She's a emo sorceress and that's it >.>
This has already been mentioned and has been dismissed as proof. When you bring in the element of time manipulation, any kind of argument regarding "normal life spans" gets completely thrown out the window.Square's Ultimania guide for the game states that Sorceress' have normal life spans. And the game states that Ultimecia lives generations into the future. Given that anyone with a normal life span will not live that long, and certainly not be young and spry as Ultimecia, Rinoa is not her.Prove it.
Feel free to search through the forums for links to Ultimania translations, as I really dont feel arsed to at present.
And if you arent up to speed on Ultimanias, they're official companion books for the Final Fantasy games with extra information included.
Anyways, Ultimecia's real name is (SPOILER)Ulcia
No proof supplied right now.
-LYCHON
It's only a matter of time before Future Esthar pops in here with loads of theories on Ultimecia. Anyway, I used to think Rinoa was really Ultimecia in the future. Now I don't know what to think. So let's just call her Bob, or Vulva.
Ultimecia's name is...Ultimecia? Meh.Don't see why it's that big a deal, they don't really go in depth on her background that much anyway, and that's a good thing, the way they portrayed her.
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