Explorer Destroyer

[Dr Unne]

[qq=bipper]If IE would succesfully obey and ENFORCE these external standards, I would accept it as ployable. I don't see that happening anytime soon though. I am very anti-IE, but I do not think that disclosing a webpage via script is the best way to go about converting people[/qq]

The benefits of the script are that it educates people who may not know of the existence of alternatives, and it provides a very convenient way to install the browser (two clicks) for those who are for whatever reason too lazy to visit the website directly.

If IE supported standards I'd be happy too. Might even use it myself. But it's never going to support standards so long as it can get away with being broken and no one gives a crap.

[qq=Del Murder]Hasn't this browser war stuff gotten kind of old by now?[/qq]

Problems don't go away by ignoring them. This banner ad has the benefit that no one can possibly ignore it.

My thoughts exactly. I'm slightly worried about the conviction/effort Dr Unne is going for all of this...

Try programming for a living and see how long you last. It's like being a construction worker and every day you go to work a big group of people run over and break your shovel. I also sometimes have a problem tolerating ignorance in general. It's a failing of mine.

The effort of posting a single thread does not appear to me to be excessive in any way. Are you similarly worried about the effort people are putting into <a href="http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=83683">soda</a>? I do appreciate the condescension though. The implication that I have mental problems is not as good an attempt at <em>ad hominem</em> as some others in this thread, however.

[Madame Adequate]

[qq=I'm my own MILF]And I view movies how if I can't use IE for them?[/qq]

Download them. Interestingly, media players are made to play media, and web browsers are made to let you view web sites.

Or install the plugins which let Firefox play movies, of which there are plenty. Even Windows Media Player plugin works in Firefox, in OS X and Windows. As does Flash, which lets you view Goolge video and Youtube etc. As does Quicktime and Real player. Or use VLC (in Windows, OS X or Linux) which plays nearly all movie formats. Linux also has mplayer plug-in.

I would have liked to thought you had a high enough opinion of me to at least think that I had, in fact, tried downloading pretty much everything I could find with the aims of making vidoes viewable in firefox.

[Old Manus]

He's going to keep arguing till it gets done. Take note, feedbackers, this is how you do it.

[Raistlin]

I would have liked to thought you had a high enough opinion of me to at least think that I had, in fact, tried downloading pretty much everything I could find with the aims of making vidoes viewable in firefox.

Almost all movies I find online I can view in Firefox.

[Dr Unne]

I would have liked to thought you had a high enough opinion of me to at least think that I had, in fact, tried downloading pretty much everything I could find with the aims of making vidoes viewable in firefox.

I don't associate computer expertise with intelligence. I know many very intelligent people who aren't at all computer experts. I meant no insult to your intelligence. My apologies.

There are many reasons why Firefox may be having problems displaying movies, many of which are indeed Firefox problems but many of which aren't. I have also experienced such problems myself in Firefox, and in other browsers including IE. My only point is that Firefox does have some level of capability to display movies via plugins.

[qq=Old Manus]He's going to keep arguing till it gets done. Take note, feedbackers, this is how you do it.[/qq]

Or until someone proves me wrong. Which shouldn't be hard, if I am wrong.

[Old Manus]

But I think you know that you are right, so how can you know that you can be proved wrong?

[Dr Unne]

But I think you know that you are right, so how can you know that you can be proved wrong?

I think I'm right, but I'm open to the possibility of being shown to be wrong. Anything less is intellectually dishonest.

[Old Manus]

Then I await the result.

[bipper]

I like opera, but I HATE the way the way it treats #body and #HTML as the same damn thing.

I hate the forum Nazi forms that safari uses. I am so full of hate. Really, Firefox is the answer.

As I was saying, people just don't know these design [flaws]. The same goes for any industry though. Prehapse I am a moron for driving my station wagon, and drinking Coke. At least us ignorant computer bastards are nice enough to let people know the fact s by polluting web forums with our tangeble propaganda. !! Rawr

[Rase]

That's a pretty sweet graph on that site.

Anyway, I couldn't care less about having some banner tell me what to do, as I'll probably just ignore it. As long as I can access EoFF with whatever browser I want, I don't see a problem with it.

Basically, as long as it stays on Level 1, I'm fine.

[Captain Maxx Power]

Try programming for a living and see how long you last. It's like being a construction worker and every day you go to work a big group of people run over and break your shovel. I also sometimes have a problem tolerating ignorance in general. It's a failing of mine.

The effort of posting a single thread does not appear to me to be excessive in any way. Are you similarly worried about the effort people are putting into <a href="http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=83683">soda</a>? I do appreciate the condescension though. The implication that I have mental problems is not as good an attempt at <em>ad hominem</em> as some others in this thread, however.

Who said I was attempting ad hominen? I'm insulted that you'd think I'd even pull tactics such as this. If you go look at some of the posts I've made in the past you'll see I try my best to bring attention to the person's post rather than their character. My point is that, whatever reasons you may have, however valid, for suggesting such action, the response to others in the thread seems quite extensive. A lot of people have place a few lines or a paragraph tops. Your posts are quite long winded (I even seem to remember you responded to almost every poster above you with a thorough response or thereabouts). How in the name of sweet jimmeny you'd think I was suggesting mental problems I can't quite get my head around. Perhaps it was an involuntary reaction to something you percieved to be an attack on your conviction, and if that's the case then I'm sorry.

But my original comment still stands. You are putting in quite some effort into convincing whomever posts on this topic to your way of thinking, and to me that constitutes as noticeable effort on your part. I do not mean this as a bad thing, it's merely an observation. In all honesty you can climb the highest mountain and shout "I hate IE and so should you!" if you want. I use Firefox so I'm on your side. Plus I understand your reasons for doing this. All I did was comment on the matter.

[Dr Unne]

Who said I was attempting ad hominen?

<em>Ad hominem</em> is bringing attention to the person making an argument rather than addressing the argument itself. I interpreted your comment as sarcasm, and if I was wrong I apologize, but your comment is still irrelevant. This is becoming off-topic though.

[Raistlin]

Maxx - it's called a debate. Is any debating excessive? This one actually has the chance to bring practical results, which is different than any of those huge debates in EoEO and formerly EotW.

[Madame Adequate]

I would have liked to thought you had a high enough opinion of me to at least think that I had, in fact, tried downloading pretty much everything I could find with the aims of making vidoes viewable in firefox.

I don't associate computer expertise with intelligence. I know many very intelligent people who aren't at all computer experts. I meant no insult to your intelligence. My apologies.

Eh, it's cool, and you make a fair point. Still, I have tried pretty much everything I can think of (Which I admit, probably falls rather short of everything I could try.) and no dice. IE works no problem. *Shrugs* So yeah

[Del Murder]

Of what concern is which browser someone uses to Eyes on Final Fantasy? Or to anyone but he or she who uses it?