Jenova & Sephiroth

[Amaru]

First of all, I won't deal with what the makers of the game say because the whole FFVII franchise is whoremongering to fans of the game which number in the overrated millions. It's sad, really, that such a game has such a cult following it so does not deserve.

Oh of course. Let's completely forget about the actual makers of the game, just because it doesn't suit your own personal opinion. And your second statement makes it quite clear your reasoning behind this thread in the first place. You are just sick of the cult status that this game has, and the many fans of Sephiroth, so are trying to find a way to undermind the character. Now that is sad.

And, if your bit about "Sephiroth was the final boss makes him the main villain" bit is right, then Necron was the main villain of FFIX. Shocking.

That was only one furthering aspect of my entire argument. Read my entire post.

There are several key points to counter your argument that he can project his consciousness. For one, if he is controlling her, how come at certain scenes does it seem like he is completely unaware of things that Sephiroth should know? Such as who Cloud is, and as we aaw on the Cargo Ship, "Sephiroth" clearly did not recognize Cloud. If he's sending his mind out to domineer Jenova's body, why is he so ignorant of this?

Play the game. Sephiroth barely, and I mean barely new Cloud. After wandering in the Lifestream and absorbing the knowledge and wisdom of the ancients, when he finally started projecting himself back out into the World once more, he didn't instantly recognise Cloud. It was Zack who he had the major fight with, Cloud just came up behind and stabbed him.

To top that, there is no point to a Jenova Reunion if all Sephiroth wants is the Black Materia. All the people in black were following "the great Sephiroth..." because the Jenova Cells were controlling their minds. Why bother to revive the body of Jenova and not just send one of them to retrive his precious Ultimate Destructive Magic? Seems kinda stupid to me.

The Jenova Reunion is an instinctive process. It's a natural instinct for all the cells to be reunited. All the people in black were heading towards Sephiroth, not Jenova herself, because he was in control.

What? Sephiroth never revived the body of Jenova. That was her own doing. And that's exactly what he did. He manipulated Cloud into getting the Black Materia for him, and then to hand it over towards the end of the game, so I have no idea what you mean there.

Then there's the final bit that Sephiroth's intent to "become a god" is utterly flawed. It makes more sense that it was Jenova's will because even the brainless heroes know Meteor will annihilate the Planet and thus, Sephiroth's godhood wouldn't really last long. To the contrary, Jenova's intent to infect the Planet and make the whole Planet her body to travel throughout the galaxy and corrupt other worlds is very indicative of her nature which is distinctly viral.

Jenova's plan was never to use the Lifestream and become a God. Never. Not once in the entire game is there a quote or instance to prove this. She just wanted to destroy the Planet and use it as a vessel to head to over far-off Planets and destroy them. This was why she summoned Meteor all those years before. Sephiroth used her original idea and expanded upon it. Knowing the Lifestream energy that would surface in such a catastrophic event, he could merge with it and become a God.

And you say that his Godhood wouldn't last long, but you are forgetting that aspects of the story (like Jenova and the Cetra) expand beyond the Planet. Sephiroth's Godhood could have seen him God of the universe. He didn't give a damn about that Planet and what happened to it.

To conclude, the power to infiltrate another's mind is the power of Jenova and Jenova alone. There is nothing said Sephiroth possesses mind alteration powers. Projecting his consciousness does not really make it said that he can actually imprint it over an existing one. The Cetra were never said to have such a skill and there is no hint that Seph did either. It IS said that Jenova can do it and thus, her erecting a Sephiroth persona to gain his powers to achieve her own goals far surpasses the Sephiroth mastery of the mind theory. Jenova suddenly became active when a person with her cells was so close to her is no coincidence. I don't think Sephiroth was very aware of the fact Cloud had just strolled into Shinra HQ unless your giving him godmoding skills.

No one said that Sephiroth himself possessed mind-altering powers. He used [b]Jenova's influence[b], to use the cells within Cloud to manipulate him.

The logic of Sephiroth's will overriding his mother's is flawed because even in AC, Jenova is the one clearly in control. I don't like the movie because it is made just to pander to fanboys and rake in money, but there are several quotes in the film that lead more to a Jenova is more powerful than Sephiroth and is the master villain idea.

It really doesn't matter if you think it's flawed for Sephiroth to gain control of Jenova in both the game and the film, as that's what the game itself, the creators, and the majority of fans know as truth.

Sorry, but you just have to deal with that.