Nintendo Wii takes over E3!

[GhandiOwnsYou]

I'd hate to launch into another huge rant on the Wii. Frankly, it appeals to me about as much as putting a mario sticker on my tv and handing me a remote control.

Secondly, i wouldn't get up at arms about the awesomeness of the Wii and how it's going to be so ridiculously popular. It's new, it's intriguing. if you're at a place where you could A) go look at the even SHINIER graphics on the exact same console and controller you've been playing for, oh, 12 years or B) go try out this freaking wierd new thing that you really have no concept of, of course you're going to try the new jank instead of old hat.

that doesn't mean you're going to drop $300 bucks when it comes in the store. it's one thing to wait a few hours to test it out for free. it's quite another to forego something like the PS3 or 360 which has companies loaded with good developers and game, and excellent familiar hardware, in favor of trying this risky new thing.

And frankly? even my hardened forearms balk at hack and slashing for hours with that damned remote. forget wii.

[Tidus Andronicus]

I'd hate to launch into another huge rant on the Wii. Frankly, it appeals to me about as much as putting a mario sticker on my tv and handing me a remote control.

Secondly, i wouldn't get up at arms about the awesomeness of the Wii and how it's going to be so ridiculously popular. It's new, it's intriguing. if you're at a place where you could A) go look at the even SHINIER graphics on the exact same console and controller you've been playing for, oh, 12 years or B) go try out this freaking weird new thing that you really have no concept of, of course you're going to try the new jank instead of old hat.

that doesn't mean you're going to drop $300 bucks when it comes in the store. it's one thing to wait a few hours to test it out for free. it's quite another to forego something like the PS3 or 360 which has companies loaded with good developers and game, and excellent familiar hardware, in favor of trying this risky new thing.

And frankly? even my hardened forearms balk at hack and slashing for hours with that damned remote. forget wii.

I'll agree with your first part... It is popular at E3 because its new, and thats the reason so many people want to try it out, cause they've never seen it before... but that still doesn't change the fact that all the people trying it, are loving it! And I certainly don't agree with your last bit... -_-

First of all, the Wii will more likely be $200-250 at launch, and the games wont cost you more than $50 each... Even if you buy 2 games at launch, your still paying less than you would for either other consoles with games.
And second, Nintendo's 1st party games are top-noch, and they have a lot of good 3rd party developers and a lot of great, fun, and new games! Plus their 3rd party support is increasing exponentially with the more info they share about the Wii. And this mass hands on at E3 will only increase that. Not to mention that 3rd party devs that normally stick to Sony and MS, are showing increasing interest to develope for the Wii now.

Nintendo's hardware is very well made, and has the lowest 'out of box' defect rate, and the duribility to stand up to some very heavy beatings, and I don't think I've ever seen a Nintendo product crash, freeze, read error, or anything like that in my life!...
And since the Wii is somewhat based on the gamecube, its easier to develope for than the new architecture of the PS3 is.

If you don't think you can get used to playing with the controller fine... but you should say that, and not just rip on other things that don't deserve ripping on. XD

[Tidus Andronicus]

Sorry for teh double post, but I had to put this up.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EbZ8ERI4x98
Its another video of the waiting line at the Nintendo booth... but I noticed something new this time.

Watch that video at least to like the middle, at the part with the girls in the wall TVs...
I've never seen that before! I wonder if those were Nintendo's 'booth babes'? and if they are, that was certainly a cleaver use of them!
To talk to the guys waiting in lines... but putting them on TVs? XD how interesting...
Kind of funny what they were talking about too...

[Malboro_Menace]

I think that the new Wii controller is very new and exciting but really its unrealistic. If you're slashing and hacking your hand around you will eventually get tired. Not going to happen on a normal controller. Maybe a sore finger or two but thats all.

As with SSBB this is just like what we see with Xbox 360 and PS3. Super Smash Bros. (a personal favorite of mine) is being revamped. It's like Xbox's Halo and Playstation's Final Fantasy. They're going to need a past best-seller to be used to entice more customers.

How many more people are going to buy the PS3 now because of FFXIII? I for one. And several of my friends.

Nintendo likes making games, not whoring their console up to the multimedia pimp, so to speak. I like that.

The same argument could be made with Mobile/Cell phones. As we update our technology we expect more things out of everyday objects. It's hard to buy a Mobile/Cell phone these days without it having camera, video or internet on stacked into it. Gaming consoles are just doing the same thing. It's come from playing games to doing a whole list of things like playing DVD/CD's, looking at photos, playing over the internet etc etc etc.

Back to the Wii, if I had the money I'll buy one but my pooled money is still going to be put towards the PS3, no matter how much it cost.

Sorry for my rant (I am a slightly new member) but I felt I needed to say it.

[Tidus Andronicus]

meh... why do people still maintain that 'your arm will get tired' argument?
The controller really doesn't take much movement to use correctly, and you really don't have to be standing up in your living room, flailing your arms wildly to play correctly... But in some situations its more fun to play as if it was real.

Nintendo choose to show people playing with exagerated motions in their video/commercial things. Its more fun, and more interesting to look at, than just some guy sitting down moving his hand a little side to side occasionally.

From what I've seen of it so far, the biggest move you have to make in a serious game is a sword swing, and its not the full game, only certain parts... and from what I've heard you don't even have to make a full swing, just a motion in the direction you want.
But most games will use it as a mouse, or pointer, and/or just stick certain actions on motions like shacking the nunchaku, or pushing it forward, or doing the same with the Wiimote. Although I'm sure we'll see some really new ways to use it soon... I'm still sure it wont be very hard to use.

It seems no matter how many times time people that have played with the Wiimote, swear that its not tiring... the argument doesn't give up. And if you want my opinion, if your arm gets tired, then thats a sign your not moving it enough to begin with. If it really is that tiring to use, then you'll get used to it with time anyway. I'm sure some game could be made as a mini work out, trusting that the player really does move in the exagerated ways.
Playing = Believing

[Madame Adequate]

meh... why do people still maintain that 'your arm will get tired' argument?
The controller really doesn't take much movement to use correctly, and you really don't have to be standing up in your living room, flailing your arms wildly to play correctly... But in some situations its more fun to play as if it was real.

Because I've been playing lightgun games since I was about 7 years old, and I can tell you it makes you tired after probably 15-20 minutes.

1) Tales of Symphonia
2) Fire Emblem Path of Radiance
3) Super Smash Bros Melee
4) Time Splitters Future Perfect
5) Metroid Prime 2
6) Metroid Prime
7) Zelda Wind Waker
8) X-Men Legends
9) Mario Kart Double Dash
10) Soul Calibur 2
11) F-Zero GX
12) Skies of Arcadia Legends
13) Super Mario Strikers
14) Megaman X Collection
15) Megaman X Command Mission
16) Star Fox Assault
17) Phantasy Star Online Episode 1+2
18) Star Fox Adventure
19) Evolution Worlds
20) Super Mario Sunshine
21) Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles
22) Mario Golf
23) Super Monkey Ball 2
24) Megaman Network Transmission
25) Time Splitters 2
26) Gauntlet Dark Legacy
27) Custom Robo
28) Zelda Ocarina of Time + Master Quest
29) 1080 Avalanche
30) Sonic Adventure 2
31) Sonic Heroes
32) Mystic Heroes
33) Bomberman Generation
34) Future Tactics
35) X-Men Legends 2

Dude, at least a third of those are multi-platform games, and when a game is multi-platform the X-Box version is always, always the best. Fastest loading, sharpest graphics, most convenient to use (Due to in-built nigh-infinite memory capacity.), and until they made them smaller, the best controllers as well. Luckily I still have a large one, but the right trigger sticks these days, so it can be a little difficult to use sometimes... Anyway point is, the only reason to get a GC would be games, because it's pretty inferior to the X-Box in other ways, and inferior to the PS2 in others. But there really aren't that many games worth having for the GC. I doubt there will be for the Wii.

Also I don't see how you can make a list like that without having Pikmin on it. Now that really is Nintendo innovation. That's what Miyamoto should be praised for, not Mario and Zelda.

From what I've seen of it so far, the biggest move you have to make in a serious game is a sword swing, and its not the full game, only certain parts... and from what I've heard you don't even have to make a full swing, just a motion in the direction you want.
But most games will use it as a mouse, or pointer, and/or just stick certain actions on motions like shacking the nunchaku, or pushing it forward, or doing the same with the Wiimote. Although I'm sure we'll see some really new ways to use it soon... I'm still sure it wont be very hard to use.

So wait, they make this awesome, amazing, homaigawrdaren'tNintendothebest new control method, and then they barely use it? Guess I can see why they don't call it the Revolution anymore =/

[Tidus Andronicus]

So wait, they make this awesome, amazing, homaigawrdaren'tNintendothebest new control method, and then they barely use it? Guess I can see why they don't call it the Revolution anymore =/

Don't be an arse about it, you know what I ment. -_-
All I was saying is that small rist movements can equal full arm sword swings... Which still has an immersive feel to it, but doesn't wear you out... And if it makes you tired, you'll get used to it, just like people do with a computer mouse... that used to tire my rist out, after an intense game, but not anymore. But you can still swing wildly if you want too, for added fun. XD

Also, lightgun games are still different than what Nintendo's Wiimote does... with a lightgun you usually have to aim at the screen don't you? and there isn't an 'always on' cursor on the screen... at least for the ones i've played, so you can't tell what your aiming at unless you hold it at eye lvl and actually aim. And holding the lightgun at eye lvl with the TV to aim, can be very very tiring! I know that... try holding your arm out in front of you for 10 minutes and it gets hard... But you don't have to do that with the Wiimote! You can easilly rest your arm, on your lap or armrest or whatever, because it doens't have to be at eye lvl to aim. This can make it a lot less tiring, even when occasionally you have to move your arm/rist a bit.

[KentaRawr!]

Standing up and flailing your arms around isn't exactly what you need to do judging by the games shown off at E3. The only games that seem to require you to stand up so far are WarioWare and the Sports Games.o_o

However, this seems to be turning into a debate that could easily go in the Wii Thread. Or perhaps the very piece of information shown could go in the Wii Thread. o.o

[ZeZipster]

I think that the new Wii controller is very new and exciting but really its unrealistic. If you're slashing and hacking your hand around you will eventually get tired.

That and most people probably won't want to look like dumbasses. Dare I say the crowd that doesn't play videogames is more self-conscience? Seriously if Nintendo thinks this is going to draw in more people because it's more interactive I have just three words for them: Dance Dance Revolution. It's interactive, but do you know why people don't play it? Because you look like a dumbass when you do, especially starting off. Maybe it's not so bad alone, but even then you'll feel pretty pathetic. I don't think it's that different, but I guarantee the same arguments are going to come up.

"LOOK I CAN SIMULATE FISHING"
"LOOK I CAN GO OUT AND ACTUALLY FISH YOU RETARD."

[Malboro_Menace]

And what about the really unco people, which is alot of gamers themselves. (not stating anyone here is just wider gaming community)

It's interactive, but do you know why people don't play it? Because you look like a dumbass when you do, especially starting off. Maybe it's not so bad alone, but even then you'll feel pretty pathetic. I don't think it's that different, but I guarantee the same arguments are going to come up.

Exactly what I was gonna say. Why get tired and look like a dumbass when you can probably play the same game using a normal console? Even if it does cost more? Jeez the prices would eventually go down.

While some people will argue this forever it stands as fact: It's just plain unrealistic.

[Tidus Andronicus]

I'm tired of arguing the same opinion over and over again... for now...

People said the DS was unrealistic... yet its going strong, much stronger than the PSP. I'm willing to bet people wont care what they look like, as long as their having fun... And you wont get tired playing with the Wiimote either. -_-

The Wii may seem unrealistic now to some people, but if it succeeds, then that doesn't matter.

[Dreddz]

Dont get too confident that the Wii is going to be a hit, theres alot going against the console which will make Nintendo suffer.

[ZeZipster]

I'm tired of arguing the same opinion over and over again... for now...

People said the DS was unrealistic... yet its going strong, much stronger than the PSP. I'm willing to bet people wont care what they look like, as long as their having fun... And you wont get tired playing with the Wiimote either. -_-

The Wii may seem unrealistic now to some people, but if it succeeds, then that doesn't matter.

Nintendo has been the dominant force in handhelds for a very long time. You saying their success makes the DS a good handheld is about the same as saying Microsoft makes good operating systems. They don't. You can sit here and tell me that Nintendo is different from the 50 different attempts at VR and motion sensing that we've been seeing in arcades off and on for the past 10 years but it really isn't. It'll probably have about the same success, too.

[Agent Proto]

Compared to PSP sales, the DS is faring better.

[ZeZipster]

Compared to PSP sales, the DS is faring better.

This is true. But what I was saying was sales don't mean much when you have a monopoly on the market. Nintendo has been unrivaled in handhelds for years now, and I honestly don't think it's due to quality. Just like MS Windows. I mean I'm not going to sit here and say I know all the evils of Nintendo, they're a pretty legitimate company, but I honestly don't think the DS could have failed when the alternative was the PSP.