What would that be? o.oOriginally Posted by Dreddz
What would that be? o.o
Most casual gamers look at the power of a console, the Wii's graphics pale in comparison to the PS3's or 360's. People consider next generation as better graphics, and hell, I want my games to look good. So most people will buy another console instead.What would that be? o.o
The people like us who go on the net to research this stuff can see that the Wii has promise, in which we know what the Wii's controller can do, and how it is going to work. But most gamers dont, so if they saw the controller knowing nothing about it, they might see it as gimmicky, and wont bother with the controller. Some dont like change either. The odd remote design turns off alot of people.
Nintendo still havent changed with there audience, which is the younger generation. Seeing as most gamers are said to be in there 20's-30's, they would rather be playing more mature games. IMO, this is why the Gamecube didnt do so well. And I think this will definately
affect the Wii. Lastly, people still hate the name, although most have looked the other way and dont care. Im sure there still a few who dislike the idea of calling there console urine, so if they were stuck between say a PS3 or Wii, some would dish out for a PS3, just by name alone.
After all this though, the PS3 and 360 still have there faults, Price is probably Sonys biggest. But im still sure they know what there doing. They have even said that they dont expect alot of people to buy there system straight away, so they expect loss. Im sure major price reductions will happen in the 6 months after launch. And at the end of the day, most people who bitch about the PS3 will be buying one, so lots will still buy Sonys console, and with the Software promised, lots of people will buy the Software. So after Sony's shakey start, come 2 years after launch, they will be at the top again. This is just my opinion...of course.
Last edited by Dreddz; 05-16-2006 at 09:36 AM.
I honestly don't believe that applies anymore.
Graphics have gotten to the point where the noticable leap between generations... isn't all that noticable.
Granted, Sony will hype PS3 ads till no tomorrow... but their price point will still get in the way. $200 vs $600 for 'casual' gaming is a pretty easy choice.
Frankly I can only see more of the 'hardcore' and 'gotta have it' fans actually going out and spending that much for a PS3.
In this situation, even the 360 has the advantage, considering its cheaper than PS3, and still has very nice graphics. If graphics is all you care about, and you have no interest in trying new gameplay that might actually be a lot of fun... fine.
Keep in mind though, when you connect any of the next gen consoles to a Standard Def TV... which the vast majority of people still have! (not their fault, they just can't afford HD yet)... You really wont notice much of a difference in graphics. Trust me. So far the only difference I've noticed, is in the style of graphics... and Nintendo's has appealed to me far greater than the others have. Plug the consoles into an HDTVs, and really all you get is sharper, crisper images. Even the Wii has enhanced def, but not high def.
If you want an example of good Wii graphics watch this video!
Also keep in mind that the Wii's graphics card is still, not quite finallized... and what we saw at E3 was hardly finallized games... most of the graphics in those demo games like the sports stuff, were mearly stock models so they could have something playable to show off the controller. Although I could be wrong. (keep in mind that major games are close to being finalized, but will keep being touched up until launch obviously.)
Either way, all I'm saying is that in this day and age, graphics are no longer the major feature people will be looking at... and even if it is, cost will be a much bigger one!
If you want my opinion, Nintendo IS changing their reputation as a kiddy company. True, while they don't have a lot of games with blood and gore, their 3rd parties do (RE4). They don't have to focus on mature titles, to be considered not kiddy. -_-
This one really bums me... Nintendo's strategy right now, is to appeal to ALL gammers, kids and adults alike... hardcore, casual, and non-gamers alike... Frankly, this means they have to stay away from the gore and the violence. Kids shouldn't see that much of it... and even lots of adults don't want to see that junk. If you ask me, Nintendo is now going to attract even more players, than if they did make a lot of gorey games. And at least many of Nintendo's games have deep enough story lines to attract not just kids, but also adults... some of the games I am seeing have quite mature plots, but thankfully just leaving out the bloody stuff, which I am already desenseitized to...
All that really matters, is how fun the console and its games will be. And it is this which Nintendo is making available by the barrel full, for a lot less than everyone else.
Last edited by Tidus Andronicus; 05-16-2006 at 12:38 PM.
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BTW, the price for the Wii hasnt be annouced from Nintendo yet, people who believe that the console is going to be $199 are expecting too much from Nintendo, if Nintendo were set on releasing all there consoles for the same price, they would of mentioned the price at E3. They didnt because its not that simple anymore, next gen gaming consoles are not just about gaming anymore. Nintendo's consoles were cheap because they were all about gaming, the Wii isnt this time. With the whole motion sensor, emulation and other media players that have been put into the Wii, Nintendo are taking a big risk releasing it at $199. The only way they could get themselves a profit is if there sure that lots of people will buy there software, if they only manage selling the amount of consoles that they did with the GC, expect Nintendo's doors to close very soon.
Lets face it, PS2 outsold the GC and Xbox. Most people have been accustomed to there games, so yeah, they wont want to play Nintendo games, so why would they buy there console ?
As with graphics, graphics do mean alot, so thats on PS3's side.
I also wouldnt get your hopes up about the controller, motion sensor has been done long ago. And it hasnt always been successful, most motion sensor games were frankly crap. Nintendo want all there titles to be using the motion sensor function. I believe that Nintendo can produce some quality titles, but I think there is going to be a heap of really poor, bad titles. If you read all opinions on the people playing Wii games at E3, not all are positive. I think Nintendo have definately worked hard on the new controller, so it will play better then motion sensor games before it.
NINTENDO is giving us a system thats just about gaming... I didn't say anything about MS, that wants to take over your computer, and Sony, that wants to take over your living room... -_- Nintendo is providing us with a system thats just for games, and is affordable and fun! Vconsole is a gamming feature, at least I would say so. And there isn't really anything else on Wii thats actually NOT for gamming. No new disc format that they want to force on the market... No overdone power or HD which 90% of the people buying it can't use anyway...
Motion detection has been done by other companies, yes... but not by Nintendo before, to this degree. Other attempts, have hardly ever been successful, due to poor quality... and lack of anything fun to play using motion detection. Nintendo has the ability to change that.
And I'd bet my gamecube that Nintendo's console will be between $200 and $250... based on what I've been told. ^_~ So we'll see Dreddz!
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Im sure people would rather buy a PS3 because it has alot more features than a Wii, its 4 for the price of 1. Even if Wii is just about gaming, its not like its gaming experiences are going to be any more fun than a PS3's.
Finally, A pro's opinion
that's accurate? I'm sorry but that's crap.
You're wrong if you think any casual gamer would dish out 600$ for a system. And may I note, one of the best selling games of all time, for any system, and #1 on GC, is having the next one made on the Wii, and it's going to use the GC controllers. So, it's not gonna alienate anyone. Everyone loves SSB, admit it. That's going to cause a lot of sales.
Nintendo has always been #2 in sales at the very least. There have been years that GC have outsold PS2's. I find it very hard to think that 360 will outsell the Wii until 2010. Graphics do not make games, at all. The only thing that convinces me to buy any other system is what games are on it. Don't care about the graphics, which is better and what not, it depends on the games. PS2 definitely had a lot of good games, but the best ones, did not appeal to me. GTA, I honestly hate, I think it's retarded. I own a GC, one brother owns an X-box, the other a PS2. I have by far more good games on my system than they do. There are a lot of good games for every system, but it depends on what appeals to people. And ask anyone, 250... 300$ appeals far more than 600$. I can buy a system and 6 games for the price of a PS3. I know exactly what six games too. Red Steel, Metroid Prime 3, Dragon Quest, FF:CC, Zelda: TP, and most likely Wii sports.
but with the list of all the titles on the system... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wii_games
how can you not be interested in the Wii?
THE JACKEL
I'd like to add that the Zelda games are also great sellers, obviously... Ocarina of Time set records for the most preordered game ever, then Wind Waker broke that record by a mile... I wouldn't be surprised if Twilight Princess is getting the same number of preorders. ^_^;that's accurate? I'm sorry but that's crap.
You're wrong if you think any casual gamer would dish out 600$ for a system. And may I note, one of the best selling games of all time, for any system, and #1 on GC, is having the next one made on the Wii, and it's going to use the GC controllers. So, it's not gonna alienate anyone. Everyone loves SSB, admit it. That's going to cause a lot of sales.
Nintendo has always been #2 in sales at the very least. There have been years that GC have outsold PS2's. I find it very hard to think that 360 will outsell the Wii until 2010. Graphics do not make games, at all. The only thing that convinces me to buy any other system is what games are on it. Don't care about the graphics, which is better and what not, it depends on the games. PS2 definitely had a lot of good games, but the best ones, did not appeal to me. GTA, I honestly hate, I think it's retarded. I own a GC, one brother owns an X-box, the other a PS2. I have by far more good games on my system than they do. There are a lot of good games for every system, but it depends on what appeals to people. And ask anyone, 250... 300$ appeals far more than 600$. I can buy a system and 6 games for the price of a PS3. I know exactly what six games too. Red Steel, Metroid Prime 3, Dragon Quest, FF:CC, Zelda: TP, and most likely Wii sports.
but with the list of all the titles on the system... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wii_games
how can you not be interested in the Wii?
THE JACKAL
But on topic again... How much E3 will reflect what actually happens... has yet to be seen... but you can't just say that its going to fail... It will AT LEAST do better than the gamecube. (Although surely it will do even better than that) XD
Nintendo is primed for a great new console, and seems to be getting a lot of possitive opinions from everyone that gets to try the controller. Playing = Believing <- Read some of that if your willing.
Just because some people(that haven't played it) think its a bad idea... doesn't mean it is... which is why I feel the DS is a good example for this situation... yes its a handheld, not a console... but the idea behind it still holds in the console market too.
BTW Dreddz, that article was written in March, and a LOT has changed since then. XD If the guy who wrote that had known the PS3 was $600, and that Nintendo has so much to offer with their console... I think his opinion would be drastically different...
Oh and how can you say the PS3 has more to offer than the Wii? Care to explain, and justify that with unique features? Cause for $600 the PS3 better have a mountain of unique features that you can only get on the PS3...
Last edited by Tidus Andronicus; 05-16-2006 at 11:48 PM.
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Your pro's opinion's about two months old, and this was before Sony announced the price. Do you expect that same pro to hold this same opinion about the PS3?
LOL, oops, seems like Tidus taken care of what I said. But it's still remains, a lot of developers really love the Wii and the controller, so that would mean more third party support for the Wii. And that's always a good thing.
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I'm not gonna say that the Wii will be able to instantly take over the gaming industry, because I know it won't. Nintendo has a HUGE uphill battle awaiting them. They don't want to compete with MS or Sony, but they inevitably will (much like they didn't want DS to compete with PSP). They are going to go head on with machines that are much more powerful than itself, and let's face it... that's what the public looks at the most: graphics. However, let's not forget the untapped marked of casual and non-gamers that Nintendo is also trying to attract. They have succesfully broken into this market with the DS... I mean... my mom plays the DS. My MOM, who has never played a game in her life. She got totally confused just when I was teaching how to move with one analog stick and rotate the camera with another with the PS2 controller, but she can instantly pick up and play DS games like Brain Age and Nintendogs. Plus, she likes them too (she tells me to leave my DS at home when I go to work so she can play!). This is a huge target for Nintendo and if the DS is any indication, they may succeed. I showed my mom the article in TIME about Wii and she said she thought it was really great idea and she'd definitely pick one up for herself.
Also, I'm not going to lie and say that the controller can be picked up and learned instantly. There is a little learning curve where you must figure out the sensitivity of the game you are playing. Also, your arms will get more tired than they would if you were playing with a normal controller, but not by much. Forget those promo pictures and videos with people wildly flailing their arms - most games do not require you do do this (except maybe Wario Ware and Wii Sports). I've attached a picture of me playing Red Steel. As you can see, both of my arms are relaxed and in a position not unlike that of when I am holding a normal controller. You can do most motions with a flick of the wrist or minimal arm movement.
As for looking stupid... I don't think that will be an issue considering this is a home console. The only people that will be around you when you are playing are family and friends - people who don't care how stupid you look. And when they see you looking so silly, they might want to try it out as well, which is kinda the point of the Wii anyway.
So yea... those are the reasons why the Wii may not fall flat on its face. Of course everything may go horribly wrong and it could turn into the next Virtual Boy, but somehow I doubt it. Keeping my fingers crossed!
Last edited by BatChao; 05-18-2006 at 03:34 AM.
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For those saying that DS is doing good just becuase Nintendo was in it llonger and is the dominant force, then who the hell was there before Sony? It wasnt Sega. Things can change, and you are just picking pieces that fit that story.
For the casual gamer i find it hard to think that anyone would even look at specs, it would be first and foremost, the price. I today went to some smoothie store that i never went to, i never drank anything there or bought anything, so what do i do? Do i look at the most healiest and most expensive drink there is for 8 dollars? Hell no i get the cheapest one and see if its worth my time and money for a trip back. If you are a casual gamer, or someone thats casual on computers, you dont care what specs those are, you dont even probably KNOW what they mean, so what is the universal langauge here? Price. I am not paying for something i dont know what it is. Dreddz no offense but whatever you say seems too biased to be taken seriously.
As for looking dumb..you look just as dumb going to a fighting game cabinet and mash buttons while the other guy who knows what he is doing kills you for free...besides isnt it un-American or at least un-manly and nerdy to play games anyway? Wasnt it also the same for reading books a while back? That argument is silly, anything can be silly in that regard then. How about playing with a Gameboy or PSP during a car ride? That must also look pretty damn stupid. Do you think its stupid? If not then well keep playing and let no one stop you.
As for Wii, i heard many people including a friend of mine's family being interested in playing it and not one of those guys in there plays games at all or seriously, they are definetly targeting the right market here because frankly everything PS or Xbox screams hardcore that most people outside the market wont give a damn or understand about. I mean its like he did that 56 hit combo or whatever omg! No one outside those who play the game seriously is gonna know wtf you are talking about....but its alot more easier to if you play the Wii IMO because its more easier to comprehend whats going on unlike a series of myraid button presses and joystick/gamepad motions.
Actually nothing against PS3 but i would personally be skeptical to develop for it if i was a company, i mean if its 600 dollars...if no one is gonna buy it for that much then alot of money will be wasted. That and WHAT GAME USES 50 DAMN GIGS OF SPACE? I am not (at least me personally) paying for something i wont use. And i dont use a HDTV, its just a luxury, i dont see why i am going to pay more for a luxury.
Last edited by Lionx; 05-17-2006 at 10:36 AM.
Im not against Nintendo, and Im not just arguing because I want Nintendo to fail. Its just the insane optimism that the Wii is getting that ticks me off, none of you have touched a controller, yet you say everything will work fine. When Sony's name is mentioned, everyone screams hate. Why ?
Cause theres a little fanboy in all of us :p
QFT.
The Wii controller? personally, I enjoy sitting on my couch with a controller in my lap, I'm not sure you can do that with the Wii controller
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I am looking forward to the Wii. These games may actually give me the first enjoyment I've had in a while. Also, according to what BatChao said, I don't think you'll get tired easily unless you're flailing your arms around sporadically. The main reason that Sony is getting hated on is the whole two package deal, the $500-600 price tag, and the notorious history of the indurability of Sony consoles.
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