Did Anybody Else...Feel Bad for Orga XIII

[LunarWeaver]

I mean, if I was a Nobody I'd be pretty pissed off and trying to get a heart too. To remember what it's like to be a normal person but not really be able to feel, it would be pretty frickin sucky.

They go about it the wrong way...disrupting worlds and tricking Sora, and basically trying to claim Kingdom Hearts for themselves, so their methods were bad, but I still think their goal wasn't a bad thing at all.

I was kind of suprised Sora was totally unempathetic towards them all. He just doesn't really care and is out to destroy them >.>; The only one he showed any sort of understanding towards was Axel, and that was pretty much it.

Am I weird for often feeling like the villains were justified in their actions. I must be evil *cue cackling*

[Cruise Control]

I feel bad for them, terribly. I mean, was it really so bad to want a heart? Some deserved what they got though. T_T

I felt bad for Axel BEFORE he blew himself up.

[Tifa's Real Lover(really]

...........its a game

[LunarWeaver]

...........its a game

Yes, quite, it is, but just like when a movie's plot is processed and conversed about, a game can have the same approach and inspire a variety of feelings over the situation. I fully understand Organization XIII isn't real, but that doesn't mean I didn't form an opinion about them after spending 40 hours facing off against the bunch.

Forums like these wouldn't really exist if the answer to everything was "It's a game" and some etc. dots.

Why am I going through the flame/counter-flame paces... ugh -_-

[Tifa's Real Lover(really]

...........its a game

Yes, quite, it is, but just like when a movie's plot is processed and conversed about, a game can have the same approach and inspire a variety of feelings over the situation.

i agree with tht so far

[SeeDRankLou]

I was kind of suprised Sora was totally unempathetic towards them all. He just doesn't really care and is out to destroy them >.>; The only one he showed any sort of understanding towards was Axel, and that was pretty much it.

Am I weird for often feeling like the villains were justified in their actions. I must be evil *cue cackling*

Well, remember that the organization kidnapped Kairi, and until the very end he thought they had something with Riku. Also, throughout this game they are continually going around, trying to turn strong willed being into heartless so that they can get more strong nobodies. Plus, they keep calling him Roxas. So by the end of the game I don't think Sora really cared what they were going through, it's what they had done that was more on Sora's mind. Also, they were trying to get to Kingdom Hearts, just like Xehanort was trying to do. Although they were going about it differently, they were trying to return hearts to darkness, who knows how many it would have taken for the nobodies to get hearts. They had to be stopped.

I did feel a little bad for organization, but I also think they knew what they were doing was devious and wrong. So I only feel so bad. Surprisingly, I felt the worst for Xemnas, he seemed to be the most compassionate about the whole ordeal. I felt bad for Axel, but he didn't really seem to mind being a nobody, at least that's what I got from him.

[PontiusPilate]

...........its a game

The game is suppose to trigger your emotions, same with movies, if they didnt then you wouldnt watch. duh.

I did feel bad for orga XIII. I mean all they wanted is to be like everyone else. I was surprised Sora was so heartless towards them. Its like the videogame version of rascism

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

I should also point out that Sora isn't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed, if you get my drift. It takes him awhile to fully comprehend what is going on with the Nobodies and be able to feel compassion for them. But he does, eventually. Just not the ones actively opposing him.

[Ya Boy Alex]

I wouldn't have felt anything for them myself. Sure their actions were somewhat justified but really the only one who seemed to have any remorse for what they did was Axel.

[Skyblade]

No, I don't feel sorry for them. Should I? You said that Sora has no empathy towards them. This is true, but it is impossible to be emphatic towards them, for they had no emotions (with the exception of Roxas, Axel, and Namine, who I will discuss later). Empathy is feeling the emotions and pain of others. The Nobodies had no emotions: They admitted as such. They pretended to have them, certainly, but they did not actually have the feeling, and when they quit the act, they turned out to be self-centered, cold-hearted b@$+@rds. They care for nothing except their own goals, and they are willing to kill and hurt as many people as they have to in order to complete those goals. That sort of attitude does not even inspire pity in me. They were a plague on the worlds, and they were wiped out, as they should have been.

In regards to their original selves, it's more difficult to say. Ansem's apprentices chose to become a Heartless, so I don't much give a damn about them. If it wasn't as nice as they thought it would be, tough. You still have to accept the consequences, and no matter what you've been through, it doesn't give you an excuse to do what they did when they became the Organization. As for the others, if they were made Heartless against their will, then yes, I feel sorry for them. But not for their Nobodies.

Of course, this raises a question: Many beings are made into Heartless forcibly, either through the procedures talked about in the Ansem's Reports or through the actions of those who are already Heartless. Since Nobodies supposedly retain the memories of their original selves, though none of the emotion, why would those who were turned into Nobodies as a result of the Organization's actions ally themselves with the Organization? Perhaps because, no matter how they got to their current situation, they felt that the Organization held the greatest opportunity of returning them to normal, and, without emotion, they would feel no malice towards those responsible for their condition. But then, if returning to true existance was their goal, why would they be so willing to serve as cannon fodder for the Organization? It may be that only those who retain human form retain their memories, which would account for it (assuming that they all became Heartless of their own free will), and those Nobodies grouped together to form the Organization. The Secret Ansem's Report didn't make any distinction between the human-form nobodies and the Dusks and such, but Ansem likely wasn't able to check to see if there were any, since he was acting covertly.

Um, sorry to get off topic there...

Anyway, as for Axel, Namine, and Roxas. Namine and Roxas are two anomalies, discussed fairly in-depth in the Secret Ansem's Reports, so I don't really feel the need to discuss them. Besides, they got a happy ending. Axel is another matter. He apparently started like the others, but he changed. He acquired emotions, true emotions, somehow. The other members of the Organization faked them, and when it came down to it, they would abandon the emotions when they no longer served their cause. Demyx is a prime example of this. He acted like a bumbling, frightened fool, but after Sora, Donald, and Goofy refused to fall for his act, his mood reverted to a very serious attitude, as he delivers his final line of non-battle dialogue: "Silence, traitor". Really not in characer for him, which isn't surprising, since that "character" was an act. But Axel didn't follow that pattern. When it came down to it, he was willing to sacrifice himself to save someone else, which is something that no other member of the Organization (save Roxas) would even consider. So, he gained emotions, and with emotions, it is possible to feel sorry for him.

So, I feel sorry for Axel, and at various points I had felt sorry for Namine and Roxas. But not the others. I have no more empathy for them than I do for a virus or bacteria: Maybe they can't help what they do, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to do my best to get rid of them or that I'm going to feel sorry for them when they die.

[Heartless Soul]

Xaldin was a hypocrite. He wanted to become whole, yet, toying around with Beast's mind and telling him that Belle would ''never love a beast like you'' and so on just proved he wanted more than to become ''whole''.

[LunarWeaver]

I should also point out that Sora isn't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed, if you get my drift

Ahahah ^_^ Poor guy just doesn't go to school, he's uneducated.

But anyway...The very fact they had no emotions is what made me feel for them in the first place. They remember what it is like, they yearn to feel again, but they can't. That's like someone who is born blind, yet remembers another life where they could see. Remembers it so well they pretend they can see because of their denial, even when it's obvious they can't.. I mean, I would feel bad for that person.

If Roxas hadn't betrayed them, Roxas could have destroyed all the heartless and saved them a lot of trouble. Sora wouldn't cooperate with them on his own, so they had to manipulate him and put him through what he's put through, and put the worlds and his friends in danger to force him to recreate Kingdom Hearts.

And since Axel showed the Nobodies CAN have redeeming qualities, all I wanted was some sort of line from Sora asking if they could just talk things out, figure things out, not just "You're just pretending, so die."

Also, Riku says there is nothing wrong with the dark, only what's lurking inside. And throughout both games it is said that you need both dark and light... So just as Sora is fighting for the light, Xemnas is fighting for the dark, but one isn't necessarily evil. Xemnas would view Sora as being evil, trying to keep him away from his heart.

With that said, as I said before, I think their ultimate goal is justified, and their desperation to be human again makes me feel sorry for them. But their methods are not justified, and the way they try and achieve their hearts is simply all kinds of ebilness. Plus Xemnas went off the deep end and had more ambitions then just being human, which is just entering crazy zone. But as for the others, I do feel sorry for them, even the ones that chose to become a heartless...because the nobodies didn't ask for the originals to be heartless, they didn't ask to be made a nobody.

So it's not like I'm saying what they did was right...But for such a supposedly nice guy, Sora came off sort of mean to me I guess. But I'm just...strange sometimes X_x.

Besides, I'd join Organization XIII just for their snazzy outfits.

[Dark Puppet]

I'd have to say I feel sorry for Org. XIII, but not for Xehanort. Most of the members of the Organization, if you remember from Chain of Memories, were test subjects from the whole Heartless experiment, so I do feel bad for them. They didn't exactly plan on being a Nobody, it just kinda happened.

Xehanort however, seemed only interested in unlocking the darkness and hatred of the heart so he could use it for power. Not once did he actually show sympathy for tricking Sora or any of the bad things he did, and he even stated that he was eternal at one point (which was a tad too pompous for my taste). So no, I don't feel sorry for him.

Axel...I felt really bad for him. He didn't want to do any of that, and even tried to stop it, so he gets total props for that. The rest of em...well, they get sympathy, but I still had no problem destroying them ^^'

- DP

[Heartless Soul]

I'd be happy if somebody pointed out Xaldin's hypocrisy towards Beast or somebody show a wee bit of sympathy towards Saix...

[Cruise Control]

I felt bad for most of them a few desrved what they got.
Xehanort, Saix, Xaldin.