Originally Posted by Dreddz
Thats not the point, its how were killing them thats the problem. I was outraged from the clip not because they were killing chickens, it for how brutally they did it...
death in any way is brutal, so what does it really matter?
I wouldnt say all means of death is brutal, if you pleasantly died in your sleep, would you say thats brutal ?Thats not the point, its how were killing them thats the problem. I was outraged from the clip not because they were killing chickens, it for how brutally they did it...
death in any way is brutal, so what does it really matter?
The fact is, the people who are in charge of this cut as many corners as possible.
Although, im sure the workers are the real people to blame, i'd imagine the people who give the orders tell them to be careful, but the heartless workers want the job to be over as quickly as possible, so do a very sleazy job, very sleazy indeed.
No you don't. As illustrated an proven in my previous post.No it doesn't:We don't just have to eat soy beans to get protein or iron. There are plenty of foods we can eat to obtain more than enough protein. The protein found in meat is more plentiful than the protein in a soy bean. But the protein in soy beans is better for you. Quality over quantity. From Wikipedia:
The American Dietetic Association, the largest organization of nutrition professionals, states on its website "Vegetarian diets offer a number of nutritional benefits, including lower levels of saturated fat, cholesterol, and animal protein as well as higher levels of carbohydrates, fiber, magnesium, potassium, folate, and antioxidants such as vitamins C and E and phytochemicals. Vegetarians have been reported to have lower body mass indices than nonvegetarians, as well as lower rates of death from ischemic heart disease; vegetarians also show lower blood cholesterol levels; lower blood pressure; and lower rates of hypertension, type 2 diabetes, and prostate and colon cancer." The American Heart Association's website states "Many studies have shown that vegetarians seem to have a lower risk of obesity, coronary heart disease (which causes heart attack), high blood pressure, diabetes mellitus and some forms of cancer.
Vegetarians get all the protein and amino acids they need from eating a normal variety of whole grains (whole wheat bread, oatmeal, brown rice), beans, nuts, and soy (tofu, veggie burgers/hotdogs, edamame, etc). The lower protein intake of vegetarians has been suggested as a possible cause of some of the health benefits above.
As you'll see here:Actually, that's a funny thought: I go for approximately 180grams of protein per day. Imagine the amount of beans, nuts, wholegrains, eggs and tofu I'd have to eat to get that :laugh:
http://www.peakperformance.on.ca/health/1protein_myths.htm Not that much.
And even if I didn't need that much protein, I'd certainly still make meat a part of my daily diet. Heck, I hunt moose and small game in the fall. Its completely natural for humans to eat meat. Certainly more natural than it is for humans to not eat meat.Not true:
Facial Muscles
Carnivore Reduced to allow wide mouth gape
Herbivore Well-developed
Omnivore Reduced
Human Well-developed
Jaw Type
Carnivore Angle not expanded
Herbivore Expanded angle
Omnivore Angle not expanded
Human Expanded angle
Jaw Joint Location
Carnivore On same plane as molar teeth
Herbivore Above the plane of the molars
Omnivore On same plane as molar teeth
Human Above the plane of the molars
Jaw Motion
Carnivore Shearing; minimal side-to-side motion
Herbivore No shear; good side-to-side, front-to-back
Omnivore Shearing; minimal side-to-side
Human No shear; good side-to-side, front-to-back
Major Jaw Muscles
Carnivore Temporalis
Herbivore Masseter and pterygoids
Omnivore Temporalis
Human Masseter and pterygoids
Mouth Opening vs. Head Size
Carnivore Large
Herbivore Small
Omnivore Large
Human Small
Teeth (Incisors)
Carnivore Short and pointed
Herbivore Broad, flattened and spade shaped
Omnivore Short and pointed
Human Broad, flattened and spade shaped
Teeth (Canines)
Carnivore Long, sharp and curved
Herbivore Dull and short or long (for defense), or none
Omnivore Long, sharp and curved
Human Short and blunted
Teeth (Molars)
Carnivore Sharp, jagged and blade shaped
Herbivore Flattened with cusps vs complex surface
Omnivore Sharp blades and/or flattened
Human Flattened with nodular cusps
Chewing
Carnivore None; swallows food whole
Herbivore Extensive chewing necessary
Omnivore Swallows food whole and/or simple crushing
Human Extensive chewing necessary
Saliva
Carnivore No digestive enzymes
Herbivore Carbohydrate digesting enzymes
Omnivore No digestive enzymes
Human Carbohydrate digesting enzymes
Stomach Type
Carnivore Simple
Herbivore Simple or multiple chambers
Omnivore Simple
Human Simple
Stomach Acidity
Carnivore Less than or equal to pH 1 with food in stomach
Herbivore pH 4 to 5 with food in stomach
Omnivore Less than or equal to pH 1 with food in stomach
Human pH 4 to 5 with food in stomach
Stomach Capacity
Carnivore 60% to 70% of total volume of digestive tract
Herbivore Less than 30% of total volume of digestive tract
Omnivore 60% to 70% of total volume of digestive tract
Human 21% to 27% of total volume of digestive tract
Length of Small Intestine
Carnivore 3 to 6 times body length
Herbivore 10 to more than 12 times body length
Omnivore 4 to 6 times body length
Human 10 to 11 times body length
Colon
Carnivore Simple, short and smooth
Herbivore Long, complex; may be sacculated
Omnivore Simple, short and smooth
Human Long, sacculated
Liver
Carnivore Can detoxify vitamin A
Herbivore Cannot detoxify vitamin A
Omnivore Can detoxify vitamin A
Human Cannot detoxify vitamin A
Kidney
Carnivore Extremely concentrated urine
Herbivore Moderately concentrated urine
Omnivore Extremely concentrated urine
Human Moderately concentrated urine
Nails
Carnivore Sharp claws
Herbivore Flattened nails or blunt hooves
Omnivore Sharp claws
Human Flattened nails
No it's not necessary for that. A vegetarian can gain as much muscle mass as a meat eater. An there not "slighter" due to eating the wrong things, it's the total opposite. Their not filling themselves with fat like meat eaters do, that's why they are slimmer an healthier. An that's not an opinion, it's scientific fact. As illustrated in my previous post.Plus, it does point out that vegetarians in general are slighter. Meat (with exercise) allows you to put on lean muscle. I certainly wouldn't want to be slighter, due to not eating enough of the right things. If you exercise enough (like anyone should) the fat and cholesterol consumed is burned off by your metabolism anyways. And to be more fit you need some amount of muscle, and meat is necessary for that.That guy may be a total moron,but at least he appreciates sarcasm, as illustrated by the name of his web page. His arguments aren't valid. Comparing Animals killed during harvest to Animals being murdered for meat. Is like saying murder is ok, because we have accidental death.Anyways, the point of this whole thread is animal suffering. And if being a vegetarian is your way of thinking a veggie diet has nothing to do with animal suffereing, then think again. See the link below:
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=grill
Yeah, this guy is known for bashing, but he does have valid arguments, in the fact that animals still do suffer, from harvesters, and so on.[/
That aside, it still completely scientifically natural for humans to kill animals to eat. Hence, they suffer. Its part of the ecosystem, and of all creation. It actually keeps a healthy balance in the food chain, and the earth's ecosystem.
All modern, intensive farming practices consume large amounts of fossil fuel and water resources and have lead to emissions of harmful gases and chemicals. The habitat for wildlife provided by large industrial monoculture farms is very poor, and modern industrial agriculture is a threat to biodiversity compared with farming practices such as organic farming, permaculture, arable, pastoral, and rainfed agriculture.
Animals fed on grain, and also those which rely on grazing, need far more water than grain crops According to the USDA growing the crops necessary to feed farmed animals requires nearly half of the United States' water supply and 80% of its agricultural land. Additionally, animals raised for food in the U.S. consume 90% of the soy crop, 80% of the corn crop, and a total of 70% of its grain. In tracking food animal production from the feed trough to the dinner table, the inefficiencies of meat, milk and egg production range from 4:1 energy input to protein output ratio up to 54:1. The result is that producing animal based food is typically much less efficient than the harvesting of grains, vegetables, legumes, seeds and fruits. This criticism could not be applied to animals that are grazed rather than fed, especially those grazed on land that could not be used for other purposes. However, this type of grazing is becoming less common worldwide, being substituted with intense farming, and in some cases leads to topsoil loss.
According to the WorldWatch Institute "Massive reductions in meat consumption in industrial nations will ease the health care burden while improving public health; declining livestock herds will take pressure off of rangelands and grainlands, allowing the agricultural resource base to rejuvenate. As populations grow, lowering meat consumption worldwide will allow more efficient use of declining per capita land and water resources, while at the same time making grain more affordable to the world's chronically hungry."
I just ate some KFC, it was good. Honestly people, it's good to have a heart and all, but what do you think happens. We kill things to eat it, it's part of being a carnivore. I mean, can you imagine what other animals do to eachother... it's far worse, trust me.
Plus there are far worse things going on in the world, like people doing that to other people... well similar things, can't do exactly that.
THE JACKEL
*shakes head*
Someone should lock this thread... its the same thing over and over.
Guy1: I will neva eva eat meat again!
Guy2: I just had KFC.
Guy3: Your horrible!
or something like that... seriously people, theres a lot better things to talk about than chickens getting their beaks cut off and thrown into cramped boxes.
Uuhg.
I hate when people do that. Yes there are better things to talk about. But there's better things to talk about than Naruto episodes. There's better things to talk about than how to get the Gold Chocobo in FFVII. There's better things to talk about than teenage romance problems. There's better things to talk about than Old Manus.
But you know what? *THIS* thread's topic is about the chickens getting their beaks chopped off. That's what the topic of this thread is, so that's what people will talk about in this thread.
I sense sarcasm.
Anyways, what I'm trying to say is:
A) Don't go to KFC
or
B) Don't watch the Golden Girls anymore.
I've posted in this thread more than anyone else. An you won't find any posts from me that even slightly resemble your guy 1 or guy 2 examples.
Why is the finger pointed at KFC, this cruelty goes on with nearly all major meat companies. If someone refuses to eat at KFC because of this, they'd have to not eat at alot of places.....the end result is, unhappy life.
For every animal you don't eat, I'll eat 4. :laugh:
Anaisa: If there was anything in there to glorify the vegan way of life, then good for you. I'll stick to my normal meat, vegetables, fruit, grains, and dairy diet, in which I get to indulge in mouthwatering bbq'd lean steak, chicken, fish, etc. That post was a wee bit too long to give me any interest in reading the whole thing.
Last edited by crazybayman; 06-01-2006 at 01:08 PM.
WICKED-AWESOME SIG.
ok, how about ALL fast food is bad?
Chickens are evil, anyway. My twice-removed aunt's cousin, who incidentally lives in Kentucky, lost his right arm to a flock of rabid chickens. Damned critters.
Clearly not true.
Well, I didn't watch the video, but this makes sense to me somewhat. Once people decided to do the whole I'm-going-to-eat-you-fluffy-chicken thing, it would also be pretty weird to ask them to gently sit the chickens down, ask them for their last clucks and then send them peacefully off to heaven. These people want to make a profit and they're going to be pretty ruthless about it. Not that it's right or justifiable -- but there you are.
I'll survive, thanks. :rolleyes2
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