KFC Cruelty.

[Sylvie]

It dosent matter if we are superior to other animals, we have no right to treat them how we do, we have no right to even kill them...

Uh... YEAH we do... If we didn't kill animals we'd be dead. Its as simple as that. We cannot live off of fruit and veggies, so don't go there.

[Peegee]

A few random thoughts, with quotes even though nobody actually said them. Just the ideas.

Except for the first one

So either you starve or you eat and are a monster. No middle ground eh?

Apparently not, as far as I'm concerned. The argument goes that causing things to die, whether animal or plants, is bad and could be argued as such and agreed upon by most people. Causing pain being bad is an iffy statement to make because plants can't (as far as we know) feel pain and braindead people can't feel pain either, so you can see the problems that come along.

As I put it: Something has to die in order for humans to eat. That sounds pretty terrible doesn't it? Of course we don't see it as terrible because if we did we'd all be moral monsters and would decide to starve.

So we say 'middle ground', or other terms to make it okay. I simply refuse to see it that way. Call it dualism or whatever. I just can't justify it.

But yes, I can justify 'if you eat you are evil'. It probably doesn't logically work out. I should try to bring it up in an environmental ethics class...assuming I'll ever take one or go back to school.

People are going to eat meat / KFC / plants / humans anyway

And people are going to do crimes and the like too. Doesn't make it okay.

We're better than animals. Ergo we can eat them

Our moral justifications and argumental basis for arguing that humans have x or y moral right are based upon our ability to be sentient. By the same token animals (and plants to lesser and varying degrees) can be argued to have the same faculties and consequently the same rule applies to them. That's simply the basis of my argument and why the above quote doesn't work.

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Essentially at some point you have to justify killing life in order to eat. How you do that is up to you, but it seems to me that no justification is good enough. Essentially the idea of morality and consistency both work against us in this regard.

So why do I eat animals? I do it because I am immoral and choose to be. You seem to choose to be moral which is fine, but can't get around the idea that life dies so you can live.

So you make it less destructive (I eat animals that aren't tortured) and now it's okay. Fine. I'm not judging you, but I will point out my argument until somebody argues properly against it :)

[hardboiled]

Buckethead feels bad for the chickens!!!

Stop eating the best tasting protein laden food we can eat, NOW!!! Save the chickens!


Now that is some revolutionary sloganing right there. Civil rights, eat your heart out.

[Madame Adequate]

Would a species of higher intellect than homo sapiens have the right by nature to kill off humanity for their own gains?

That depends on whether they are merely more scientifically advanced, and have greater intellects as individuals, or whether they actually possess different mental capacities. A species with an average IQ of ten more than Humanity's average IQ? No. A species which possesses telekinesis? Yes.

Alternatively, you could say that once you have the five things I listed, you qualify for equal treatment. I'm still working that idea out, so until I do we'll go with the other one.

Uh... YEAH we do... If we didn't kill animals we'd be dead. Its as simple as that. We cannot live off of fruit and veggies, so don't go there.

Not true. A vegetarian diet is a viable choice. Edit: Many doctors actually consider it healthier than a meat-inclusive diet.

We're better than animals. Ergo we can eat them

Our moral justifications and argumental basis for arguing that humans have x or y moral right are based upon our ability to be sentient. By the same token animals (and plants to lesser and varying degrees) can be argued to have the same faculties and consequently the same rule applies to them. That's simply the basis of my argument and why the above quote doesn't work.

Not sentient. All beings are sentient. Plants are sentient. For that matter we can manufacture sentient beings. Sensory input is sentience. The term you are looking for is sapient, and a lot of creatures exhibit a lot of variability when it comes to sapience. Sapience is actual thought, the ability to act with judgement (as opposed to instinct).

And yes if a 'Human' is so severely disabled that they can't be said to be sapient, they're a lower order of life.

[Cloud_omnislash_Strife]

Comparing chicken farming to the holocaust is bad

well its like a chicken holocaust

what if theres chicken over population

[Shlup]

Most of the posts I've read saying "poor chickens" are from people like 15 and under. Ironically, these will be the same people working at KFC later in life to pay for college. Are the practices cruel? SURE but these chickens were manufactured for this purpose. You think that the meat in the grocery store comes from some guy who used a velvet covered knife to cut the things head off?

Oh please, I'm in college, Shlup is like, <i>ancient</i>, and there's plenty of people over the age of fifteen who think that torturing animals is wrong.

You're so sweet, Bojojobo. xP

Anyway, this thread is stupid because almost everyone posting in it is retarded. If I didn't have four term papers due in the next two weeks I'd go nuts on all ya'll but suffice it to say that torturing animals because we can or because we want to or because everyone else does it so you may as well too or because cheaper is worth it or because we have to kill something in order to live so may as well torture living animals ro whatever is stupid and lame and makes you all bad people. That's right. I went there. If you think factory farming is justified then you are a bad person. A bad bad person. smurf shoes.

[rubah]

We don't all have the land to grow our own crops.

You could make a rooftop garden.

Or get together with a bunch of other people and make victory gardens. or get a pot of water and do some hydroponics in a window sill.

[Anaisa]

We don't all have the land to grow our own crops.

You could make a rooftop garden.

Or get together with a bunch of other people and make victory gardens. or get a pot of water and do some hydroponics in a window sill.

I really don't have sufficient land to make enough food to feed myself. I don't even have enough time to tend to that sort of thing.

[Fantasy Fan]

is this thing still going on?

KFC does NOT do that because KFC is fast food restaurant. The production farms they get the chicken from might do that, but you can never be too sure with PETA.

[Dreddz]

It dosent matter if we are superior to other animals, we have no right to treat them how we do, we have no right to even kill them...

Uh... YEAH we do... If we didn't kill animals we'd be dead. Its as simple as that. We cannot live off of fruit and veggies, so don't go there.

Then how do vegetarians live ?

It dosent matter if we are superior to other animals, we have no right to treat them how we do, we have no right to even kill them...

then that means animals who are equal to eachother have no right to kill eachother, so therefor, they are guilty and should be punished to death and then their carcasses used for food. mmmm bear meat.

But we know better than other animals, we have a decision to not eat meat, animals dont know any better and wont change..

[Fantasy Fan]

you are what you eat.
Vegetarians become skinny, green, stupid and defensless.
Meat eaters become big, powerful, intelligent and brown (tanned).

what would you be?

[Anaisa]

is this thing still going on?

KFC does NOT do that because KFC is fast food restaurant. The production farms they get the chicken from might do that, but you can never be too sure with PETA.

There is no fast food restaurant without food. Where does KFC get the "food", the slaughter house. KFC an the slaughter house are in business together. Fantasy Fan

you are what you eat.
Vegetarians become skinny, green, stupid and defensless.
Meat eaters become big, powerful, intelligent and brown (tanned).

what would you be?

:laugh: By your theory you'd be a Vegetarian!

[Fantasy Fan]

and can you prove that? I doubt the slaughter houses do that because they have no reason to. It doesn't make sense.

[crazybayman]

Humans - top of the food chain
Chickens - not top of the food chain

Therefore we eat chicken. Just like we boil Lobsters live. Just like a bear eats a Salmon, while its still alive.

Granted, treating chickens, or any other animal like was seen in the video is wrong, and considered inhumane. I haven't taken the time to read through this entire thread, but it drives me absolutely insane to hear people say we have no right to kill animals.

Its no one's "right" to kill for food - its just nature, the survival of the fittest. Its the way the ecosystem has evolved. The Shark eats the smaller fish. We eat anything that breathes, basically.

We are omnivores. Not herbivores, nor carnivores. We need both vegetation, and meat to survive.

I don't usually eat KFC, because its absolute crap, too greasy and bad for you. However, I'm not about to stop eating chicken just because they hire a bunch of hooligans to process the poultry. I'm sure the farms KFC gets their chicken from aren't the only ones to treat chickens that way.

I've heard that the local Henery (or chicken farm, whatever you want to call it), had to fire a bunch of workers, because they were kicking around the chickens, basically playing soccer with them. And they process chickens for the products you buy in the super market. This sort of inhumane treatment happens everywhere, all the time. And I'm not about to become a vegetarian *shudder*, or even stop just eating chicken, or even their products because of this. Its pointless.

so if you want to stop eating KFC, just because of Bea Arthur's latest campaign to save the animals, you might as well stop eating all chicken - no, all meat that you didn't kill yourself, including beef, because it comes from a slaughter house, and you can rest assured that those poor ol' cows don't get royal treatment, either.

[Anaisa]

and can you prove that? I doubt the slaughter houses do that because they have no reason to. It doesn't make sense.

It makes no sense that a slaughter house would treat Animals cruelly?! Can I prove that there is a relation between a slaughter house an a fast food restaurant?! It's self explanatary.

We are omnivores. Not herbivores, nor carnivores. We need both vegetation, and meat to survive.

So vegetarians don't exist then? Or are all about to die?