KFC Cruelty.

[Anaisa]

An you're very much mistaken in thinking that to be a vegetarian an eat well you need to be rich.
Without protein, B12 and iron, the human body collapses. Vegeterians must provide themselves with these ingredients, normally found in meat, through supplements. Those supplements cost money, and a good deal of it too. The poor cannot abolish meat from their diets, as they cannot afford, say, B12 pills.

We can get B12, iron, and protein, from other foods. Iron, protein, an B12, are not only present in meat.

Certainly it would be a lot cheaper. People would be a lot more susceptible to disease, would live less, the natural abortion rates would sky-rocket, etc etc... But that's a third-world existence I wouldn't want to live in.

You should really read the research I've already posted on the evidence that vegetarians are healthier an less susceptible to disease than meat eaters. Vegetarians also live longer. An vegetarians have a lower risk of miscarriage than meat eaters actually. You should read this:



A report by the Institute of Medicine, National Academy of Sciences, indicated that vegetarian mothers-to-be are less likely to suffer a vitamin A deficiency than their meat-eating counterparts. This is of particular importance since vitamin A deficiency during pregnancy has been associated with miscarriage. Along the same lines, folic acid deficiencies have been linked to some birth defects. Why are vegetarian mothers less likely to develop such a deficiency? Because their diet is composed of the richest sources of folic acid--whole grains, legumes, and green vegetables.

"…While a [ vitamin B12] fortified food source is fine for the health of the mother, the nutrient will not be readily available to the fetus in this form. Therefore, during pregnancy and while nursing, the mother should be sure to take a B12 supplement equal to 4 mcg (micrograms) a day. During breast feeding, it is the B12 that will make its way into the breast milk and nourish the growing infant. The consumption of a prenatal supplement has become increasingly common among expectant mothers. If the mother is taking a prenatal supplement already, vitamin B12 will likely be included in the formula. It is always a good idea to verify this on the label. Also, be sure that the B12 is derived from plant sources.

" Animal bodies concentrate all of the hormones, chemical pesticides, antibiotics, and sulfa drugs they ingest during their lifetime. When humans eat animals, they ingest these contaminants that have been stored in the animal's fat. Whatever an expectant mother eats, her baby will be exposed to as well.

[Pant Leg Eater from the Bad World]

Wow. I found this funny. Why would I care about what happended to the chicken that I am eating. It was bred for food. It has no right to live. Who cares how it dies. So long that it does.

[mooglebunni608]

I'm gonna be sick. Well, everytime I think about the chickens served at fast food places like KFC I feel sick.
Cruel, Cruel people.

Im just glad chickens havent evolved to exact thier revenge

they will soon tho!

[Peegee]

How does the argument change if you use the word sapience (having discernment of things or 'wisdom') instead of sentience (being conscious or aware)?

Take a puppy.

I kick a puppy. Whether the puppy is sapient (it is) or a stupid puppy that is only sentient doesn't change the fact that puppy feels pain and will suffer because I kick it.

Or alternatively, say I burn plants (or forests) because they aren't sapient, at least I doubt they are sapient enough that it matters that I burn them. They are definitely sentient enough to know something is happening to the bark (plants have that ability), and besides, I and you know burning trees is bad for the tree.

Doesn't change anything. I could've replaced the term sentient with 'the good of the lifeform' as the argument that we shouldn't eat anything that hasn't died naturally.

[Shlup]

Wow. I found this funny. Why would I care about what happended to the chicken that I am eating. It was bred for food. It has no right to live. Who cares how it dies. So long that it does.

You had better be trolling or you're just plain sick.

[Fonzie]

I guess his name implies his meanings. I eat my fair share of both food groups so i'm okay with eating the both groups in equal amounts every day

[Pant Leg Eater from the Bad World]

You had better be trolling or you're just plain sick.

Ok, maybe I was a little bit over the line when I said it had no right to live. It has as much of a right to live as I do. But really, who is to say either I or it have any right to live. Why do any of of have any right to live? Because we are alive is what most people say. I think therefore I am. Screw that. No one has any right to live. But since we all do, we all have the right to die. So who cares when or how the death happens?

[Rengori]

I hope the Buhdists are right about reincarnation so that the CEO of KFC and the yes-men who work for him/her are all reincarnated as chicken.

[Shlup]

You had better be trolling or you're just plain sick.

Ok, maybe I was a little bit over the line when I said it had no right to live. It has as much of a right to live as I do. But really, who is to say either I or it have any right to live. Why do any of of have any right to live? Because we are alive is what most people say. I think therefore I am. Screw that. No one has any right to live. But since we all do, we all have the right to die. So who cares when or how the death happens?

In this case, it isn't so much about the death as it is about the life.

[Roto13]

I once read a book where scientists had genetically engineered a giant mass of chicken that was pretty much just a big feathery mound with various chicken parts growing from it every which way. When they were developed enough, the parts were cut off for food and would eventually grow back. It had a giant beak on top that clucked now and then. They would pour food into it from the top and waste would come out through the bottom. The chicken cruelty of the future!

[Rengori]

I once read a book where scientists had genetically engineered a giant mass of chicken that was pretty much just a big feathery mound with various chicken parts growing from it every which way. When they were developed enough, the parts were cut off for food and would eventually grow back. It had a giant beak on top that clucked now and then. They would pour food into it from the top and waste would come out through the bottom. The chicken cruelty of the future!

What book was this?

[Pant Leg Eater from the Bad World]

In this case, it isn't so much about the death as it is about the life.

Alright. Well still, they are on their way to die. Do you really car that much that the nice fat plump juicy chicken you are eating couldn't support itself? I don't. It doesn't affect me in any way.

[Shlup]

What lifeform isn't on it's way to die? Does the reason it's born determine it's worth?

Well, whatever. If someone sees cruelty and makes the moral decision not to care there's not really anything you can do about it. It's like having an abortion debate with someone who does think abortion is murder, but thinks baby murder is okay. (And, no, I'm not saying chicken torture and baby murder are morally equal.)

[War Angel]

You had better be trolling or you're just plain sick.

I think he makes a fair point, if in a bit crude manner.

I think most of us would agree - those animals should be treated better, if only slightly. HOWEVER, should it cost us a lot of money, and should the food industry be severly hurt by it, then it's not worth it. The lives of mindless chicken bred for slaughter are not more important than the well-being of even a single human-being. At least, that's the way I see it. I think it would be really nice if we could ease the final moments of those animals' lives, but I wouldn't extend it to reach far and beyond common sense.

They are living creatures. They should be eaten, and that also means suffering, to an extent. This measure of suffering should not be needlessly increased just because someone wants to make a bit more money. Anything worse than the loss of some money to some mega-corporation, like, say, simple people not being capable of buying meat... then I say, screw the chickens. Humans come first.

[Roto13]

I once read a book where scientists had genetically engineered a giant mass of chicken that was pretty much just a big feathery mound with various chicken parts growing from it every which way. When they were developed enough, the parts were cut off for food and would eventually grow back. It had a giant beak on top that clucked now and then. They would pour food into it from the top and waste would come out through the bottom. The chicken cruelty of the future!

What book was this?

It's called Oryx and Crake, and by how often I mention it to people, you'd think it was the only book I ever read. It's very good.