Them Dutch

[crono_logical]

wow. Jess is a post icon. I never thought I'd see the day.
EDIT: hey, on second glance, I'm not so sure that is Jess.

I picked an icon related to the thread topic - Relm in this case :kaoplain: Actually, I can't remember how old Relm is meant to be now

[Old Manus]

'The Dutch Pedophile Movement'?

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

Actually, I can't remember how old Relm is meant to be now

She's eleven at the end of the game.

[Levian]

A group of kids should make a party and make it an anti-pedophile party. They'll get so many votes.

[Shoden]

These people are insane and twisted, it won't happen though, you'd have to be retarded to allow it. Nutters...

[escobert]

A group of kids should make a party and make it an anti-pedophile party. They'll get so many votes.

[Psychotic]

Yeah, they've made a nice and wholesome little party, so what? It's not like they're going to actually get elected, so where's the harm, exactly? If anything, it's productive, because it lets the authorities know the identities of a group of paedophiles.

[Giga Guess]

Yeah, they've made a nice and wholesome little party, so what? It's not like they're going to actually get elected, so where's the harm, exactly? If anything, it's productive, because it lets the authorities know the identities of a group of paedophiles.

QFT Psy. QFT.

[Madame Adequate]

Lock them up? Hunt them on an island? Lawls @ you. They can say whatever they want. Any form of speech, any mode of address, any voiced opinion, which is legally acted upon, is thought policing.

No matter how distasteful or unpleasant or downright offensive, they have a right to express their views. It isn't until they actually go out and molest children that they're doing anything which can carry legal repercussions.

Oh, and don't say "Lol they'll never get elected", that exact complacency leads to people exactly like this getting elected.

[fire_of_avalon]

A person's height usually reaches its maximum growth by fourteen years in girls and seventeen years in boys, and potential fertility and reproductive maturity usually reaches its peak one to two years beforehand in girls and three to four years beforehand in boys. All kinds of reproduction-assisting hormones begin flowing in the brain during this time, as well. From a strictly biological perspective, it appears evident that puberty is when we're supposed to begin getting busy.

Not that I'm for NVD, of course, but claiming that the body itself is unprepared to sex at that age seems pretty flimsy as a refutation.

The average female goes through menarche at 12.5 years of age. Her breasts have been growing for two years, maximum, and she has yet to flesh out in her hips and her vaginal canal probably isn't finished growing. As a result, most females who give birth at that age have to undergo Caeseran section births, or they run the risk of seriously injuring themselves. How is this pertinent? Well if you're having sex, you have to take into account "Hey, I might get knocked up!" because well, that's the main thing sex is for. Making babies.

These days it's not uncommon for girls as young as eight or nine to hit menarche. Does this mean that the rest of their body is mature enough to engage in sexual activity or pregnancy? I would say no, they aren't old enough because their body isn't large enough nor is it physically prepared. A twelve year old? Maybe, and that's a stretch. I was pretty much finished growing by the time I was twelve, with the exception of my chest and hips.

However, this argument is based on the NVD's suggestion of 12 years of age, and not the data you provide which cites 14 as the time we should be doing the horizontal polka. In honesty, I have no problem with the idea of a mature 14 year old engaging in sexual activitiy and pornography if they choose to do so, because it ain't my sex life. In fact, I believe the age of consent in some states (I want to say Hawaii?) is around 14 or 15. But a 12 year old is not a 14 year old.

EDIT: It's Iowa where the age of consent is 14, as long as the partner of the 14 year old is withing five years of their age. Also, under extenuating circumstances, the marriagable age in Iowa is 12.

[Emerald Aeris]

I see no reason to believe that a 12 or 14 year old is ready for sex, biologically, mentally, whatever way you want to look at it. Humans are not mature until around 18, so around 18 is what the limit should stay at.

[eestlinc]

I bet it's one of those police traps like they do here when they have stuff on the radio like "call us for assistance with your crack cocaine addiction."

[Mirage]

I think 16 is a nice age, personally :p.
Oh yeah, and that party sucks.

[Madame Adequate]

I see no reason to believe that a 12 or 14 year old is ready for sex, biologically, mentally, whatever way you want to look at it. Humans are not mature until around 18, so around 18 is what the limit should stay at.

Whut? I know people who have been physically mature at 15, and at 24. I know people who are mentally and emotionally mature at 14 or 15, and some who never are. Age is only a very rough indicator of maturity.

For my part, I think 15 is a good age as long as the older person is within 3 years, and 17 is a good age to remove that restriction.

[Emerald Aeris]

Whut? I know people who have been physically mature at 15, and at 24. I know people who are mentally and emotionally mature at 14 or 15, and some who never are. Age is only a very rough indicator of maturity.

For my part, I think 15 is a good age as long as the older person is within 3 years, and 17 is a good age to remove that restriction.

If they physically mature completely before 17, then there's something wrong. They may seem physically mature, but there's still stuff going on. I can give a detailed explaination if you really want it, but trust me. You're still maturing until at 18 or so.

As for mentally, you can be very mature mentally for your age at 14 or 15, but you can't be mature. You can't be an adult until you are one. You can't have the wisdom that life gives you before you live it.

Of course age is only a very rough indicator. I fully agree. I've know many 16 year olds more mature than 20 year olds I know, but they were both immature in some ways. However, the law can't work on a case by case basis, can it? What are people losing by keeping it at 18? It's not like the police go around arresting 15 year olds having sex, and it helps protect some people who might be taken advantage of.

Generally, I don't think people 16 and under have the wisdom necessary to make good decisions in this area, and others (drinking, driving, voting, etc). Just because some people do sometimes, or some teens do all the time does not change that generally they don't. Laws should be in place to protect them from hurting themselves and others. Saying that some are mature enough is simply splitting hairs. It's irrelevant to the law.