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[Loony BoB]

I'm big on multiples of 5. I suppose I could do a 36/14 split... at one point there was a 40/10 split, I think. That allowed for more original/different awards outside of the MLT's.

[Tavrobel]

If people were driven away from being labelled a n00b no one would have joined the internet in the last 8 years.

you mean forums??? People really don't care being labelled a n00b around the internet, but they do hate it in a message board. I mean, not really HATE IT, but it LOWERS the chances of them really staying in the message board at all, they won't feel like they're a part of the family.
Anyway, admins/mods can go ahead and do it, bye bye EOFF

DK, we were labelled as noobs for the past six months. Why do you think we are still here? You have to have some kind of belief in the noob that he will stay and become a productive, spammy, anti-CK member.

I can understand where you are coming from, but really, time is better than post count; unless you genuinely help people if they have a problem, which means you would only have posts that count in EoEO, the Gaming forums, and 15% of GC posts. And time is also better because it means the person is dedicated enough to be a part of the forum. If they left, then how will anyone else know who they are?

[Cz]

My suggestions:

1) A new category to add to the best newbie/regular/veteran. There's too many people in the veteran category and every year more people get pushed into that one. Might be good for people who have been registered for like 3+ years. That'd be neat.

2) Del Murder suggested this but post/thread/forum specific awards. That'd be neat.

3) The Oscars have this "For Your Consideration" thing where movie studios will submit some of their best work, actors will submit their best clips, and production teams will submit their stuff. It would be nice for lazy people like me if there was a FYC thread where people who want to be considered for best poet, artist, etc, could post some of their best work. That way, I don't need to go hunting for individual threads in the artist/writer forums. Cause you know, laziness and stuff. Plus, I really liked how eest did the speech for best spammer since you got to see an example of each person's spamming. That was neat.

4) No announcing it vote by vote! NO! That would not be neat.

Miriel's correct on all four counts here.

I think that one of the problems for the long-time members is that they've seen so many Ciddies now that one set it pretty much indistinguishable from another. If you ask me, there are two ways to deal with this. Either you can do away with the Mid-Year Ciddies and make it an annual thing, or you can do something to differentiate the Summer and Winter events. Perhaps the Mid-Years could be made up of the more light-hearted awards, like the MLTs, and the End of Years used for the more others? That's not the only way it could be done, just the first that came to mind. I'm sure you guys could come up with something better.

[Reine]

I agree on the suggestion that a ember can only win X Award X amount of times, unless its an award that not many end up in, like Best Techy.

Thats way, it wint alway be the same person winning, which can kinda make peole bitter, knoing that HE/SHE is going to win it AGAIN.

Also, too many votes are simply name recognition. One guy I know told me that he voted for me for Best Writer, simply because he knew me, but none of the others, he hadnt even looked at anything I had written. An example is Best Chatter, kikimm came second, despite not even BEING in #eoff. That annoyed me to no end.

The serious ciddies should remain serious, it means that much more to win one. I was astounded that I even made it into the Best Writer category, and also for receiving all those nominations for various categories. Except maybe MLT to be Wile E Coyote Then again, that makes me wonder who I was trying (and failing) to kill...

I liked this Ciddies much more, mainly because I knew what it was about, and because people I knew were actually in the voting part..

Also, I agree with getting rid of the Bus awards, I like iyt how the funny MLT's change every year, but the Bus awards to me, are old already, despite me only being around for two Ciddies.

Also, the Revelations thread was painfuly spam filled, it took forever for the page to load, and forever to get to the actual Ciddies

All in all, I love the concept of the Ciddies, It just needs a lot of tweaking.

[Old Manus]

It was Meat Puppet deleting everybody's wikis? *signs him up for porn*

[DK]

Having someone only be able to win it a certain amount of times is fail. If people are constantly winning the same award over and over, it's for a reason. Not to mention the fact it'd be a totally cheap and mostly a "you only won 'cause _____ wasn't in the running " If people want new people to win ciddies, people need to step their game up, that's all.

And yeah, kikimm coming second in Best Chatter was complete nonsense. She's obviously the best by a country mile.

[Old Manus]

^ Psy hijacked Kyono's account

[Loony BoB]

I agree on the suggestion that a ember can only win X Award X amount of times, unless its an award that not many end up in, like Best Techy.

If the people vote for them, then they win. If they win a lot of times in a row, then so be it - records would never be broken if we put on such restrictions.

Thats way, it wint alway be the same person winning, which can kinda make peole bitter, knoing that HE/SHE is going to win it AGAIN.

If they don't want them to win anymore then maybe they should stop voting for them, and vote for someone else. Either way, that person is getting more votes than any other person for a reason.

Also, too many votes are simply name recognition. One guy I know told me that he voted for me for Best Writer, simply because he knew me, but none of the others, he hadnt even looked at anything I had written. An example is Best Chatter, kikimm came second, despite not even BEING in #eoff. That annoyed me to no end.

kikimm might be very good at chatting to people outside of #eoff. Either that, or, by golly, non-#eoffers might have been voting for her purely because they wanted a non-#eoffer to win. They're fickle folk, non-#eoffers. They lost anyway. But yes, name recognition will always be there. I'm not going to go around guessing who has and who hasn't actually read anything by anyone.

Also, I agree with getting rid of the Bus awards, I like iyt how the funny MLT's change every year, but the Bus awards to me, are old already, despite me only being around for two Ciddies.

I will consider this, since there's so many people agreeing about it.

Also, the Revelations thread was painfuly spam filled, it took forever for the page to load, and forever to get to the actual Ciddies

That's part of the fun, though. If you don't want to bother with that stuff, you can always just wait for the thread to finish and then look at the first post. The Winner Revelations thread got a huge positive response when it first came into action, so I can't see that bit changing anytime soon, especially since it's something that can easily be worked around by just waiting for it all to finish.

[Tavrobel]

Also, the Revelations thread was painfuly spam filled, it took forever for the page to load, and forever to get to the actual Ciddies

That's part of the fun, though. If you don't want to bother with that stuff, you can always just wait for the thread to finish and then look at the first post. The Winner Revelations thread got a huge positive response when it first came into action, so I can't see that bit changing anytime soon, especially since it's something that can easily be worked around by just waiting for it all to finish.

Turn off signatures and you should be fine.
If anything, I thought the pages loaded much faster than they usually do, this year.

[Loony BoB]

A better alternative to the loading times would be to use the Simplified Style, which cuts out avatars, signatures and almost every other style-based image there is on any page, with extremely few exceptions.

[Miriel]

If you people want someone else to win, then vote for someone else!

The problem is that a lot of people will vote for whoever is familiar to them on the list regardless of whether they are actually the "best" in that category. Try looking in the gaming forums for a change to see what's going on down there. If you did that, maybe you'd notice that Kishi isn't the one doing all the helpin'.

It bugged me in the predictions thread when people were saying this like, "this award is kishi's, hands down la dee da." *slaps the whole lot of you* The problem isn't with the ciddies, the problem is with the voters. Why assume that just because someone has won the same ciddie so many times in the past, that this award somehow becomes there's?

This is where a FYC thread would help. The no advertising rule for the official ciddies thread is fine and all, but a place for someone to say "Hey, I've done a lot of this and this in the past 6 months, consider me please" might not be so bad.

Here, take a gander at a FYC gallery. Aww, lookit all the pretty FYC ads. Aren't they pretty? I think they're pretty.

[Loony BoB]

I said no self-advertising. If you guys want to make a show-off thread with justification as to why you think someone should win, I won't stop you, unless I notice people clearly just doing favours for their friends in exchange for them doing favours in return.

I do respect your point in that you guys might say "it's not fair if someone wins an award if they are living on their name" but it's up to yourselves to educate the masses if they won't educate themselves. I won't be giving any limits to how many times a person can win an award, especially when people such as clout arguably deserved to win seven times in a row before Samuraid eventually took over (also proving that people don't 'own' awards).

The FYC thing is okay so long as it's only done for certain Ciddies (I don't want people to promote spam, obviously, or how likely someone is to get banned, etc. etc.) and so long as it's done tastefully, without any kind of self-promotion or "traded" promotion. I hope that makes sense.

[Madonna]

It bugged me in the predictions thread when people were saying this like, "this award is kishi's, hands down la dee da." *slaps the whole lot of you* The problem isn't with the ciddies, the problem is with the voters. Why assume that just because someone has won the same ciddie so many times in the past, that this award somehow becomes there's?

You seem to forget that the Predictions thread was all about predicting who would win, not who we voted for?

Half of the Ciddies is about popularity, and so yes, if one name is familiar in a sea of unknowns and has either gotten close to winning the Ciddie category they're in or they have won in that category once before, it's rather safe to assume that most people will vote for them.

I'm trying to say that I agree with you on all points but your irritation with the Predictions thread.

[Rase]

The FYC thing is okay so long as it's only done for certain Ciddies (I don't want people to promote spam, obviously, or how likely someone is to get banned, etc. etc.) and so long as it's done tastefully, without any kind of self-promotion or "traded" promotion. I hope that makes sense.

So basically, just appoint someone who is willing to do it that way and has the time, preferably a Knight/Admin so they can make sure it doesn't turn into a spam/self-advertising fest. Not to toot my own horn, but I'm seeing it as sort of how I tried to make the Best Writer speech, with links to relavent information that voters could use to base their decisions on (of course, that was kind of too late, but meh). I think this was done by eestlinc for the Best Spammer thing also, and may some others that I don't know.
For example, for the Best Artist Ciddie, the person can ask each nominee to choose three pieces that they consider thier best work. If they don't choose, the person can just choose three they like, then provide links to all the pictures so people could see them all in one place. I'd assume that most members wouldn't bother to slog through the Artist's Forum or Writer's Corner and look at stuff the nominees have done, as it's simply too much off a hassle sometimes.

It would only work for certain Ciddies, but it may help in the whole "educate the masses" thing.

[Tavrobel]

For example, for the Best Artist Ciddie, the person can ask each nominee to choose three pieces that they consider thier best work. If they don't choose, the person can just choose three they like, then provide links to all the pictures so people could see them all in one place. I'd assume that most members wouldn't bother to slog through the Artist's Forum or Writer's Corner and look at stuff the nominees have done, as it's simply too much off a hassle sometimes.

It would only work for certain Ciddies, but it may help in the whole "educate the masses" thing.

Yes! I approve!