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    Quote Originally Posted by The Crystal
    It's all about opinion.
    Some people think that Kefka is the most powerfull because he could have exploded the world, but didn't want to do it. Some people think that is Sephiroth because when he was in his Seifer form, he only used 50% of his power in the battle, because he was using his other 50% to hold Holly(this is what they said). Some people think that is Ultimecia, because she is capable of absorbing reality itself. Some people said that Neo Ex-Death could destroy the universe. And some people says that is Zeromus, because he is the incarnation of evil.

    The truth, is that we will never know.
    Yes it is all about opinion. Thats the point of a forum. You dont need to tell us that.

    But I'd say the most evil is Ultimecia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~SapphireStar~
    Yes it is all about opinion. Thats the point of a forum. You dont need to tell us that.

    But I'd say the most evil is Ultimecia.
    I find it ironic that you would criticize the necessity of someone’s post and then yourself post something that doesn’t contribute to the topic in any shape or form.

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    And I can say the same back to you Nasarian Altimeros.
    Okay then, this is for Nasarian Altimeros and anyone else who wishes to nitpick at me:

    I chose Ultimecia as the most evil because she was willing to allow Rinoa to die in order to release Sorceress Adel and achieve Time Compression in order to destory the SeeDs and become a God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~SapphireStar~
    And I can say the same back to you Nasarian Altimeros.
    Not really since:

    1. I’ve already contributed to this thread.
    2. I’m not calling you on posting something off topic. I’m calling you on being a hypocrite.

    Incidentally though, you still haven’t contributed anything to this thread due to the fact that this is a ‘most powerful villain’ thread, not a ‘most evil villain’ thread.

    Back on topic though:

    Quote Originally Posted by Forsaken Lover
    Necron was there for all of one scene and one fight. No one knows what he is. Speculation yes, but no one knows. So, I find it a bit bizarre to rank him in terms of power. If he was only the center of the Iifa Tree, then he's not that tough. If the other theories about him being some sort of anti-crystla anti-life force, then he would be above them all. As is, we don't knwo enough so we can't rank him.
    Even so, the little information that we do have on Necron states that he can destroy all existence. There is no real ambiguity over that, so I would say that at least puts him on the same level as other existence-destroying entities like Neo ExDeath, Cloud of Darkness (or was that just the world?) and Ultimecia.
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    Christ then, most smurfing powerful.
    Getting on my smurfing nerves. And you already contributed to the thread, so why bother posting just to point something out to me? I pointed somehting out to The Crystal and gave the name of the villian I thought was most evil/powerful whatever.

    End of cause its just spammin up the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by al-bhed_kid0827 View Post
    Ultimecia had the power to tinker with the laws of the universe whenever she pleased. That's pretty powerful right there.

    I think she's the most powerful FF villian. Though Kuja comes in at a close second...
    Except she didn't have that power. It was her goal to be able to tinker with reality, and she never gained that power.

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    Nasarian, ~SS~, stop that. No personal attacks, no off-topic conversations. Take it to PMs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~SapphireStar~ View Post
    Yes it is all about opinion. Thats the point of a forum. You dont need to tell us that.
    Is allways good to say it. Because in every forum, allways exist someone that think that his/her opinion is the absolute truth, and everyone that desagree is wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by SapphireStar~ View Post
    But I'd say the most evil is Ultimecia.
    I chose Ultimecia as the most evil because she was willing to allow Rinoa to die in order to release Sorceress Adel and achieve Time Compression in order to destory the SeeDs and become a God.
    I know that this is off topic, but you forgot to say that Ultimecia(inside Edea's body) used Galbadia army to kill many people, launch missiles against the Gardens, and made the two Gardens fight against each other.

    And in my opinion, Ultimecia is the most powerfull because she can absorb everything(including the other villains).

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Crystal View Post
    And in my opinion, Ultimecia is the most powerfull because she can absorb everything(including the other villains).
    Except, not. For one, she'd have to survive the full time it takes her to compress time and space without Kuja literally blasting her to atomic fluff. If Squall and gang, who never demonstrate abilities in the KT range, nevermind MT or TT, can do it, Kuja- the planetglasser- could pretty much do it without effort.

    And honestly, smeg opinion. SOD and feat analysis is a far better method to determine who is the most powerful, since it's objective, and has to do with what each villian has actually done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryushikaze View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by The Crystal View Post
    And in my opinion, Ultimecia is the most powerfull because she can absorb everything(including the other villains).
    Except, not. For one, she'd have to survive the full time it takes her to compress time and space without Kuja literally blasting her to atomic fluff. If Squall and gang, who never demonstrate abilities in the KT range, nevermind MT or TT, can do it, Kuja- the planetglasser- could pretty much do it without effort.

    And honestly, smeg opinion. SOD and feat analysis is a far better method to determine who is the most powerful, since it's objective, and has to do with what each villian has actually done.
    You are right. For some reason, i forgot that Ultimecia need time to be compressed, to be capable of absorbing it. What an idiot i am. And what is SOD?

    Feat analysis is not a very good method to determine who is the most powerfull. Because you can give many different interpretations to a single feat. Depending of your interpretation, a character can seems to be more powerfull then what he/she really is, or vice-versa.
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    Sin. They built him up to be too powerful in FFX to be even defeaten. When he was it was kinda like an anti-climax. But, i garuntee if the Sin that defeated the Crusaders & Al Bhed at operation Mi'hen was the Sin i'm talking about, then i can only see him as being the most powerful.

    Besides, in all honesty, who could survive this attack. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5VTTsXIChI

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Crystal View Post
    You are right. For some reason, i forgot that Ultimecia need time to be compressed, to be capable of absorbing it. What an idiot i am. And what is SOD?
    Suspension of disbelief.

    Feat analysis is not a very good method to determine who is the most powerfull. Because you can give many different interpretations to a single feat. Depending of your interpretation, a character can seems to be more powerfull then what he/she really is, or vice-versa.
    Except this isn't based on interpretation, but numbers. Moving X mass Y distance at Z speed takes Q energy, and such not. It's about trying to measure the scope of their expressed capabilities, instead of saying "well, that looks skippy"

    Quote Originally Posted by Traffic View Post
    Sin. They built him up to be too powerful in FFX to be even defeaten. When he was it was kinda like an anti-climax. But, i garuntee if the Sin that defeated the Crusaders & Al Bhed at operation Mi'hen was the Sin i'm talking about, then i can only see him as being the most powerful.

    Besides, in all honesty, who could survive this attack. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5VTTsXIChI
    Anyone who could dodge or block the thing. It also seems specially designed to kill humans, oddly enough, since it shoves the water away unharmed, but turns the humans into black particles.

    Meanwhile, Sin is harmed by simple cannon fire before he puts his shield up, and his shield is nearly defeated by a laser/lightning cannon, the output of which is piddling compared to the needed energy to kill an entire planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryushikaze View Post
    Except this isn't based on interpretation, but numbers. Moving X mass Y distance at Z speed takes Q energy, and such not. It's about trying to measure the scope of their expressed capabilities, instead of saying "well, that looks skippy"
    And this is the problem. We cannot measure something that we don't know. We don't know if Kuja exploded a planet or just destroyed the surface of it. We don't know if Kefka could have exploded the planet if he really want to do it. We don't know if Sephiroth was using all his power, or if he was using half of it to hold Holly. We don't know the full capacity of the Void's power(Neo Ex-Death).
    Because of this, in the end, we can only give our different interpretations.

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    A quote by me on another forum:

    "Girl [Mikoto]: But Garland is dead. Terra will soon be destroyed.

    This was Zidane talking to Mikoto shortly before they boarded the Invincible and escaped Terra. She makes another comment on Terra later on the beginning of Disc 4.

    Mikoto: You saw Kuja's power. He destroyed a world by himself...

    Now this is where semantics come into play. What does it mean to destroy? What is a world? What is the definition of “is?” People accuse, and they are kind of right, those lines of being too vague to attest to the fete of busting Terra. Yet the idea Kuja could blow up a planet did not materialize from nowhere. The fact is that there is not 100% conclusive evidence that he did or did not wipe out Terra. But, I feel just the two quotes I provided completely disprove the absurd notion that I’ve heard here and on other places that Kuja only destroyed Bran Bai. Some say he just tore down the city and looking through both those quotes, I don’t see her saying anywhere that Kuja destroyed a city by himself or that Bran Bai will soon be gone. But, nevertheless, I am a supporter of the planet-buster Kuja school. And partially out of faith and partially out of reasonable conjecture. Such as drawn from this line.

    Amarant: Do you really think [Kuja] perished with Terra?

    Now, examine that quote. If Kuja did nothing but strafe the world with magic, how would he perish along with it? I deduce, and I feel I’m definitely not going out on a limb here, that Amarant is saying Kuja did indeed blow up or cause some sort of cataclysm on Terra. How else would he “perish” along with it? When I hear that line, I have an image of a planet exploding and Kuja caught up in it. Does that seem too farfetched or reaching? I don’t think so. I do pride myself on having an open-mind. I can admit to being wrong and can look at the same line and see multiple meanings. But I just don’t see how that quote could say anything other than what it’s saying."

    Anyway, Sin is out of the running mainly because it could be beaten by kuja or Kefka and it's not a villain... It's only down to Kuja, Kefka or Neo EX-Death.

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    The Most Powerful Villian ever to appear in an FF Game is The Dark King, from Final Fantasy Mystic Quest. He was so powerful that if you tried to heal him and make him any more powerful, he would die from having too much power.

    Seriously (SPOILER)If you ever fight the Dark King in FFMQ, have your main character use the spell "Cure" on him, and watch what happens...
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