most powerful FF villain.

[FallenAngel411]

Kuja. He may have been too weak psychologically, but he certainly had the power and potential to rip apart the seams of reality. Crazy guy.

[Sefie1999AD]

Palmer was hit by a truck and survived. He was also the most evil FF villain, as indicated by his ungracious request for tea. I don't see why we're having this debate.

Not to mentioned he told the party members to "Kiss this!" (tapping his butt) during the boss battle and got away with that.

im quite sure that the party does defeat kuja. when you win the battle he says "ugh. i was gonna die anyway." or something like that which almost certainly means he was near defeat.

Fair enough, though I wouldn't call it a victory for the party, because winning a battle doesn't mean you get totally demolished by Ultima at the end of the battle, IMHO.

[boys from the dwarf]

to simplify kujas defeat you can put it this way. kuja lost and zidane didnt win. thats simple enough. the only part that matters there is kuja being defeated. kuja is one of the most powerful but compare this. kuja= enough power to destroy entire planets.
necron= the power to end everything.
chaos=the power of the four fiends.
the emporor= the master of hell.
cloud of darkness= not played FF3 yet.
zeromus= the hatred of zeromus.
neo XD= the power to end the universe.
kefka= not too sure but hes pretty god like in power and can destroy cities with ease.
sephiroth= powerful magic and a cool sword (i wont count the meteor because he needed the black materia to summon it.)
ultimecia= time and the ultimate GF.
sin= can destroy citys and much more but not the entire planet.
vegnagun=destroys the world but is quite weak and take tons of time to gather enough energy to finsh the planet.

[Zeromus_X]

Since I like going over things...

(SPOILER)Chaos/Garland: Didn't become powerful until he 'sacrificed himself' to the fiends. In return, became the classic 'omg I'm the epitome if evilz!!1' villain.

The Emperor: Same deal here. Gave his soul up to hell to control Pandaemonium, although he could already 'summon hellspawn' to do his bidding anyway. Reasonably powerful.

Zande, Cloud of Darkness: Zande, another guy who's a pawn. (We'll be seeeing alot of that.) Cloud of Darkness, as was stated, was a force of nature, and the standard 'epitome of darkness' you just have to take out to save the world.

Golbez, Zemus, Zeromus: Golbez was being controlled by Zemus, already had poweful sorcery. (Possibly as a result of being a Lunarian.) Zemus was already a very powerful Lunarian, it did take the power of the Lunar Crystals to seal him away. Even then, he did have a bit of telepathy or something to control so many people. Zeromus is the manifestation of Zemus' hatred, our good old 'epitome of darkness', or hatred in this case.

X-Death, Neo X-Death: X-Death (as I recall) was the spirit of one of the trees in the Mua forest, and I recall he had formidable magic powers. Still, he was overcome by the power of the Void, and was engulfed by it. As for Neo...he's just our Deus ex Machina final boss. (See the last four final bosses.)

Ghastra, Kefka: Ghastra was pretty powerful, but Kefka got a little more boost in power, backstabbing him in the end, and becoming the 'nihilistic godlike' villain we all know and love. Essentially caused the destruction of the planet, or more accurately, it's ruin. Very powerful.

Sephiroth, Jenova: Jenova is the 'calamity of the skies', infecting the Centra and being sealed away, not much else to discuss on it. (Her?) Sephy was a very powerful Jenova-infused SOLDIER, and with great willpower too. (Enough to resist Jenova's control, at the least.) Becomes a nihilistic god, yaddayadda. Summons that spiffy meteor, at least he's got that going. Pretty powerful.

Ultimecia: Pretty powerful. However, can only possess Sorceresses, and couldn't compress time until the gang helped her. (If only to defeat her.) Comes with the standard package, angelic appearance, and big celestial attack. Can't go home without one.

Kuja, Necron: Kuja was powerful, if only after he discovered Trance. (He did blow up Terra, at least.) Necron is also our standard Deus ex Machina final boss, nothing terribly special about him. Well, they did combine the 'epitome of darkness' and 'nihilistic god' into ONE whole final boss, they must be doing something right.

Seymour, Sin/Yu Yevon: Seymour portrays our nihilistic god very well, if only because Spira has some wacky standards on dying...oh well. Yu Yevon is much like Zemus in the way that he's the little puppeteer behind it all. Too bad you have to dig a bit deeper to get some back story on him. (I guess being inside Sin for so long turns you into a weird parasite thing...huh.)

So either they're nihilistic gods who become powerful over time, are some 'force of nature' or 'epitome of darkness', or are already moderately powerful and have been controlling everything and summon/become the epitome of darkness. Works for me.

[Dell]

Visually, Sin and Vegnagun is the most powerful (Excluding Chaos, Zeromus and ExDeath). They're big and people feared them, in this case, I'll choose Vegnagun, Shuyin controlled him, that's mean: Ultimate Power + Working Brains, that's a perfect villain, I didn't go for Sin because he attack blatantly.

In battle, Kuja and Necron is the hardest. Kuja is not really a problem but he did spam good magic. You can lose to Necron, the Grand Cross + Neutron Ring, can most likely kill low-level member. Kuja release Ultima in the battle, ending the battle. FFIX villain wins in this.

Facts and Story: I will go for Sephiroth, Kuja and Kefka. Three of them are evil. Sephiroth kill Aeris and lots of Shinra's soldier, he also kill his tatoo companion. Summoning Giant Meteor to hit the planet is also cruel. Sephiroth also stab Tseng. Kuja is another Evil guy. Kuja didn't care about the others, Brahne, Zorn and Thorn etc. Plus, Kuja's smart, he manage to trick an elephant lady. Kuja can also pack some punches, and Bahamut even fall in the trap. Kefka is another. Kefka is not nice at all, all he cares is power, he control the Magitek like his own doll. My vote goes to Kefka.


My Conclusion: KEFKA PALAZZO.

[boys from the dwarf]

i dont think sephiroths meteor should count because it was only through the black materia that he was able to summon it. sephiroths powerful without the meteor though. but i still dont think the meteor should count as sephiroths power. technically necron isnt a villain but i think necrons probly the most powerful FF character. mainly because he has just about as much power as any other FF main villain + he cant really be destroyed and it pretty much says at the end of the battle that he is invincible and he also can destroy everything. and usually things with necro in it E.G. necromancer or necron mean death or something like death. so necron pretty much means the end of all things. for villains though id have to say neo X-death, kuja or kefka. neo X-death is just like necron except he is killed and destroyed. you see kuja use more power than you see nearly any FF enemy use. he destroys a whole planet. i think terra was a small planet and he may not be powerful enough to destroy the whole of gaia but hes still incredibly powerful. and ive not completed FF6 but from what i know, kefka evelvates his power to god-like power and im assuming we never see the full extent of his power. i guess kefka or neo X-death are the most powerful.

[Sefie1999AD]

Boys from the dwarf, you keep saying Necron is invincible, immortal and stuff. If I'm not mistaken, you're saying that because of his line: "This is not the end. I am eternal... as long as there is life and death..." I think that line is a tribute to FFIV's Zeromus. Here are Zeromus' final words (from the fan translation of FFIV Hard Type for SNES): "... I will not perish... as long as evil... lurks in the... hearts of man..." followed by this dialogue:

Kain: "But about those final words that Zeromus left..."
Rosa: "As long as evil hearts still exist..."
FuSoYa: "Everyone holds both good and evil in his soul... just like there are Crystals of Light and Darkness... Evil will never disappear... but as long as humans continue to band together... cherishing the ideals of virtue, trust, and honor, it will never triumph."

So you could say Zeromus is also eternal. Besides, Necron clearly lost to the heroes. He exploded and diminished into nothing. His attempt to end all realities was stopped. He can come back, but then again, didn't (FFVII AC Spoilers)Sephiroth also say something like that when he was defeated by Cloud: "I won't become just a memory..." It seems FF villains like claiming they can never be killed and that they'd always come back. :rolleyes2

[DarkLadyNyara]

It seems FF villains like claiming they can never be killed and that they'd always come back.

Tell me about it. FFII- "No! I...will...NOT...DIE!"

[boys from the dwarf]

i could have sworn that although necron explodes a bit and dissapears he was still there and not dead. its true that its a reference to FF4 but zeromuses line was just some sort of taunt and desparate last words where necrons i think was genuine.

[Eiko Guy]

the sin before jecht is the strongest becuz we know that two ppl have to die ta kill him the sin we fight is always holding back so that he doesnt kill tidus remember his overdrive that kills you and scars the entire planet that was not his full power he was holding it back and hes been alive for athousand years only being destroyed when he allows himself to be they could not have beat jecht if he didnt let them weaken him before losing control

[Goldenboko]

Well it highly depends how you look at it Ultimetia can compress time basically ending all existance
Sephiroth can summon a huge Meteor to destroy the Solar System
Kuja sucessfully destroys a planet
Necron can end all existance
Kefka has the power of the planet
The Emperor dies and becomes the King of Hell
Sin terrorizes Spira for 1,000 years without being stopped
What do they all have in common? They all end up being defeated by the main heroes. No matter how they say they are immortal they are defeated. So the entire thing is basically a tie. Besides destroy the world or destroy all existance it all comes down to the same thing the end of mankind and that is all mankind truly cares about

[Eiko Guy]

except for sin he wasnt defeated by the main heroes he is more "i want to die so i can stop killing if he put up a real fight i think they would have just been crushed smeared and left to wash off when his scales drop

[Dell]

except for sin he wasnt defeated by the main heroes he is more "i want to die so i can stop killing if he put up a real fight i think they would have just been crushed smeared and left to wash off when his scales drop

So Sin is the worst villain? Not really, Sin can give huge impact, don't you see, how Sin destroy Kilika? The flaw he have, is Jecht. However, Jecht is just Sin, he con't control Sin. That's why I say Vegnagun, Human's Brain + Ultimate Power.

[boys from the dwarf]

i think sin would eventually become the strongest because he gets stronger with each new form. i dont thinks theirs any obvous strongest. neo X-death and necron can destroy everything but their disadvantage is that they have to do it all in one (so they cant just destroy it bit by bit.). while kuja can just destroy a planet with his near kimitless power. enemies vary a lot. they have similarities but its near impossible to choose the most powerful. kuja can destroy planets and neo X-death can end the universe. just because neo-X-death can cause more destruction doesnt means hed actually beat kuja in a fight (although he might. im not sure. i just used that as an example.)

[Sefie1999AD]

i think sin would eventually become the strongest because he gets stronger with each new form. i dont thinks theirs any obvous strongest. neo X-death and necron can destroy everything but their disadvantage is that they have to do it all in one (so they cant just destroy it bit by bit.). while kuja can just destroy a planet with his near kimitless power. enemies vary a lot. they have similarities but its near impossible to choose the most powerful. kuja can destroy planets and neo X-death can end the universe. just because neo-X-death can cause more destruction doesnt means hed actually beat kuja in a fight (although he might. im not sure. i just used that as an example.)

In a fight of Kuja vs. Neo Exdeath, I think whoever gets to use their strongest attack first would win. Kuja could demolish all of Neo Exdeath's giant... body... thing with Flare Star and Ultima, and Neo Exdeath has Meteor, Grand Cross (probably doesn't work on Kuja, though, since I think he's immune to all status ailments) and the power of the Void, although he can't control that power.