Rinoa IS You Know Who!! Stop denying it!!!!!!! (Spoilers)

[G SpOtZ]

You don't pay attention, do you? It's ridiculous how you're putting words into my mouth. I already said I never heard voices from it, and I know there isn't voice acting. However, if there isn't a change in accent like you say, then explain to me the changes of style in dialogue. Why are Ulti's words spelled differently, and why are there accent marks above some of the letters of the words she uses?

You're basing this theory on an awful lot of speculation. However, I never said I was going to disprove you. I'm just waiting for you to prove the probability. Now, stop stalling and making excuses, stop putting words into my mouth, and get on with it.

PS. You're being awfully hostel and unreasonable about everything.

[daggertrepe]

Exactly why this should be closed.

[Zeromus_X]

Have I replied in this yet? No matter.

No, she is not Ultimecia. The Ultimania *insert rest of big title* guide for FFVIII states that sorceresses have normal lifespans. Therefore Rinoa cannot live long enough to 'become' Ultimecia. There. That's all it is.

Little theories are great, when there's actually room for them. But there isn't, in this case.

[Hambone]

omg it's just a game. why do you have to waste years coming up with these theories?

[Lychon]

Once again, I think all points have been proven here. This thread is just a ramble on-everyone needs to lay off it.

Check out the Final Fantasy VIII FAQ in the Final Fantasy 8 section of the forums. The answer to the question of R=U states in bold letters that it is "not possible" for Rinoa to be Ultimecia. The FAQ states that this statement is derived through deduction from the Ultimania guide, which states that sorceresses have normal life spans.

The Ultimania guide never states anything about Rinoa not being someone else, nor does it elaborate significantly on Ultimecia’s identity. Secondly, it is illogical to argue that it is "not possible" for Rinoa to be Ultimecia from the information provided in the Ultimania guide. I have already proven the possibility and plausibility of the theory and I will soon prove the probability of Rinoa being Ultimecia (notice how I never actually state that I will prove the entire theory correct.- I am just out to prove the possibility, plausibility, and probability of the theory. Even if all these three are proven, it still does not mean that the theory is correct because I am just proving that the idea is possible and perhaps probable).

This means that the FFVIII FAQ must be changed unless someone provides a source to Square Enix and proves that an individual from the company who had a hand in the game's creation personally confirmed that Rinoa is not Ultimecia.

-LYCHON

[daggertrepe]

Acutally, you contradicted yourself. You stated that you never said that Rinoa is actually Ultimecia, you just THINK she is.

Yet the title says:

Rinoa IS you know who! Stop denying it!

So there, you stated that you BELIEVE she is Ultimecia.

I think you're making excuses cuz you can't back your theory up well enough. There is a difference between thinking and knowing.

[Lychon]

But you just contradicted yourself.

The title says:

"Rinoa IS You Know Who!! Stop denying it!!!!!!!"

Have you ever heard of an "attention grabber"? The numerous exclamation marks had to have told you something....(I have actually already covered this attack in a previous post in this thread(# 8)).

You don't pay attention, do you? It's ridiculous how you're putting words into my mouth. I already said I never heard voices from it, and I know there isn't voice acting. However, if there isn't a change in accent like you say, then explain to me the changes of style in dialogue. Why are Ulti's words spelled differently, and why are there accent marks above some of the letters of the words she uses?

Now you are back-pedaling. I did not create the game and I will not delve into exactly why Ultimecia's linguistics and semantics are the way they are (I'll save that for the probability proof ). The one thing I will say (as I already have proven) is that it is illogical and false to assume that Rinoa and Ultimecia's voices "sound" differently just because you read something off a dialogue box. It is you who has been speculating and it is you who is now attempting to cover up your error.

If you believe that Rinoa and Ultimecia have different voices, then prove it. And even if you do prove it, you then have to PROVE that they are not the same person BECAUSE they have different voices. As it has already been evidenced by Adel, people who awaken from stasis may in fact have significantly altered semantics and linguistics. This means that if Rinoa ever was put into stasis, the awkward manner of Ultimecia speaking actually SUPPORTS the R=U theory, lol . Thanks! Why were you even arguing this if it supports my side of the argument? lol


-LYCHON

[daggertrepe]

Read my previous post. I fixed it up.

[Zeromus_X]

There isn't anything else to be said. Simple answer to what some people think is a complex question. Granted, I don't really care anymore because you'll probably think what you want to anyway.

The Ultimania guide said that sorceresses have normal human lifespans. Rinoa becomes a sorceress. She cannot live however many generations into the future of the time of Ultimecia. It doesn't require that much thought.

[Blitz Ace]

when i read the title of this thread, it made me think that Rinoa was Lord Voldemort... i was like, now thats going to far...

[daggertrepe]

when i read the title of this thread, it made me think that Rinoa was Lord Voldemort... i was like, now thats going to far...

Hahaha...that's funny...

[Lychon]

Acutally, you contradicted yourself. You stated that you never said that Rinoa is actually Ultimecia, you just THINK she is.

Yet the title says:

Rinoa IS you know who! Stop denying it!

So there, you stated that you BELIEVE she is Ultimecia.

I think you're making excuses cuz you can't back your theory up well enough. There is a difference between thinking and knowing.

The theory is backed up enough for me to say that I have proven the plausibility and possibility of Rinoa being Ultimecia. Perhaps if you actually read the first post in this thread and argued the points in the proof you would have more credibility.

I don't understand why you people continue to be stubborn. IT HAS BEEN PROVEN THAT IT IS BOTH POSSIBLE AND PLAUSIBLE FOR RINOA TO BE ULTIMECIA! ADMIT IT!! SUBMIT IT!! BOW DOWN TO IT!!


-LYCHON

[G SpOtZ]

It's also been proven that it's possible, plausible and probable that she's NOT Ulti.

[Lychon]

It's also been proven that it's possible, plausible and probable that she's NOT Ulti.

By saying that it is possible and plausible that Rinoa is Ultimecia, this implies that is also possible and plausible that Rinoa is not Ultimecia. As far as probability goes, I do not agree. I have yet to provide a detailed proof of the probability of Rinoa being Ultimecia.

By the way, it's interesting how you seem to have now abandoned your concept of Ultimecia's accent since you discovered that that argument was actually working against you, LOL ......But just for kicks, why don't you go ahead and show us some images and dialogue from Ultimecia that proves your theory about "accents." Show us exactly where the accent marks are and how this translates to a specific pronounciation that determines some accent.

Oh, and when you're done with that, go ahead and PROVE that Ultimecia's accent is different from Rinoa's.

I'll be waiting for that....

P.S. One last thing: Since you admit to the possibility of Rinoa being Ultimecia, then you must obviously disagree with the statement in the FFVIII FAQ which states that it is "not possible" for Rinoa to be Ultimecia. Since you have to admit that the FAQ is incorrect, this contradicts your ENTIRE position in your previous posts.....LOL!

-LYCHON

P.S. Billy Idol says "Mony Mony!!!"

[G SpOtZ]

Umm, I wouldn't call it "abandoning"... it's just that, there's simply nothing more to add. We're both using the same arguements over and over again. You're being unreasonable and not even understanding my points. I've already understood your points: no, there's no voice acting, duhh.
I still want you to explain to me the reason for Ulti having differently spelled words and accents above some letters, with good evidence. Do you have any? As far as I can see, I haven't abandoned anything, I'm just waiting for you.

And will you hurry up and just state the probability? I'm gonna abandon this whole thing, just because you take forever.