Rinoa IS You Know Who!! Stop denying it!!!!!!! (Spoilers)

[Lychon]

Umm, I wouldn't call it "abandoning"... it's just that, there's simply nothing more to add. We're both using the same arguements over and over again. You're being unreasonable and not even understanding my points. I've already understood your points: no, there's no voice acting, duhh.
I still want you to explain to me the reason for Ulti having differently spelled words and accents above some letters, with good evidence. Do you have any? As far as I can see, I haven't abandoned anything, I'm just waiting for you.

And will you hurry up and just state the probability? I'm gonna abandon this whole thing, just because you take forever.

I have already explained Ultimecia's dialogue in my posts above. Take a look and try reading them if you actually want to get my answer (post # 67). I am still waiting for you to provide proof of these "accent marks" of which you speak and then provide a pronounciation guide for them and then prove that such a pronounciation is different from Rinoa's.

Do all that, and you will have lended even more credibility to the R=U theory.

-LYCHON

[G SpOtZ]

You have the game, don't you? Go look for them.

And please, don't wait for me. Go on with your theory, or else you're just going to bore everybody even more.

[Qurange]

Okay, you want something to act against your theory? There are a few lines in the game that can supply that, such as when the party is told that Ultimecia exists far in the future--so far that none of them could exist there. Now, sure, it's /possible/ that through some ridiculous gymnastics of logic, Rinoa can magically become Ultimecia, just like it's /possible/ that Quistis secretly has a twin sister who works for a secret project among scientists in Centra. However, it's not really plausible. You'd have to make up a lot of things to even make it possible in the first place, and even then, there's no reason to accept it as a common theory; it's out of sync with the game, and there's more evidence against it (the above line, the fact that Sorceresses have normal life spans) than not. Saying it's 'not possible' is the same as saying that the idea that there's some huge conspiracy controlling tea is 'not possible'--it's an overstatement, but it might as well be the truth.

A good theory tends to work /with/ canon, not against it. It could be done, maybe--but personally, I tend to find that it's nothing but an angst-trip that takes away from the game. I don't find it to be a /good/ idea, so I have no intention of 'bowing down'--not when there's so much in /canon/ to work with.

[Ryushikaze]

Postulate deemed to violate all manner of parsimony. Postulate is also deemed wanting in its fulfilling of its burden, especially in light of its previous parsimony violations.

Judgement- Postulate is to be ridiculed like the conspiracy 'theory' it is.

[Viator]

P.S. By the way, I'm still waiting for you to disprove my proof about the possibility and plausibility of Rinoa being Ultimecia..."taps finger on table"......(still waiting for you to prove that Rinoa is not Ultimecia, even though she most ABSOLUTELY POSITVELY IS, as far as I am concerned).

I already prove Rinoa is not Ultimecia.

Well there's only two person can prove who Ultimecia is beside Ultimecia herself.
Edea and Rinoa
If Rinoa is Ultimecia that means Edea already know right away when she sees Rinoa.But Edea doesnt know anything about Rinoa.That means Rinoa CANT be Ultimecia.
When Rinoa and Edea get possesessed by Ultimecia they only know that there's a sorceress called Ultimecia inside their body.So this prove that Ultimecia = Ultimecia.

I think this (My) statement is enough to destroy R=U theory for good.

I don't understand why you people continue to be stubborn. IT HAS BEEN PROVEN THAT IT IS BOTH POSSIBLE AND PLAUSIBLE FOR RINOA TO BE ULTIMECIA! ADMIT IT!! SUBMIT IT!! BOW DOWN TO IT!!

Sometimes plausibility and possibility is not always true.
It only the matter of perspective.

Well Lychon just get to the point.

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

Now, we can all know (or at least, we can all comprehend) that when suppositions such as "time compression" and "time manipulation" come into play, any order of normal life spans based on "normal time" become obsolete and extraneous. The concept of time compression also dismantles the syllogistic argument of recursive and subsequently independent "moment-to-moment" time, because the very nature of time compression seeks to coagulate all time and all moments together, therefore instituting a universal singularity with one time and one continuity that possesses unabridged cause and effect.

So what does this all mean? It indicates that Ultimecia's leverage in Squall and Rinoa's timeline most conclusively altered their future due to the temporary temporal singularity created by Ultimecia's attempt at time compression. Because of time compression, no lateral or surrogate timelines or universes are generated and no paradoxes are encountered. Instead, we have the realization of one of man's most ancient fantasies: changing the past. When the temporary time compression phenomenon ended upon Ultimecia's destruction and time was "unfolded" from its compressed state to its "normal" state, a reverberation agent created an echo effect from the point in the time dimension signifying Rinoa and Squall's time into and throughout the future, based accordingly upon the changes caused by Ultimecia's interference in the past.

This subsequently means that if Rinoa ever was on course to become the sorceress Ultimecia, she may now never consummate this possibility because of the reverberating repercussions in the future caused by Ultimecia in Rinoa and Squall's timeline. The ultimate denouement may very well be a completely different future.

I'll give you one post to explain whatever it is you're talking about here, using plain English and citing the game's text for support. If you are not able to do so, I will consider it true that your entire founding argument is a pile of crap and close this thread posthaste.

[Viator]

I think it's not really necessary talking about that accent.

[Christmas]

This whole theory here is as valid as my PuPu = FF VIII TrUe HeRo ThEoRy.

[G SpOtZ]

This whole theory here is as valid as my PuPu = FF VIII TrUe HeRo ThEoRy.

What are you talking about? PuPu is DEFINITELY the true hero of FFVIII! Hands down.

[Viator]

It proves that simply because sorceresses have normal life spans does not mean that they are limited to that period of time.

Good point.

[Slade]

Not that it means anything after 3 pages but I just like to say that I still believe the R=U theory to be true, even if there is that whole arguement about the lifespan of sorceresses. I think the theory adds a dramatic twist and even more greatness to an already great story and gives Ultimecia a little more purpose (not that she didn't have purpose already, but she would have much more). I've always wondered why so many people are deadly against it......the only reason I could come up with is that they can't bare to see Rinoa become Ultimecia and ruin a happy ending. What baloney. (For the record, I love the ending. But I would also love it if the R=U theory were true)

There.......2 cents worth

[daggertrepe]

Are we done discussing yet? Clearly, Lychon has proven her point, and everyone else has proven theirs. This is seriously getting to be a bunch of arguements. Can't we all just be cool, now?

But I would have to say that she's probably not Ulit cuz that would ruin everything.

[Jimmy Dark Aeons Slayer]

Actually about the whole thing about not being able to hear Ultimecias voice...

Well just before you fighter when the batle starts and Ultimecia says

"I´ll start with you three"

When she appears in the batle screen you can hear her laughing she as a strong womans voice...i´m not making it up if you don´t believe use a safe file if you have one an check it out.

[rubah]

If ultimecia was rinoa, then wouldn't rinoa have a funny gut feeling that way video game characters do when something unusual like maybe fighting yourself would be?

Rinoa is not a must-have character for teh final battle. In fact, she isn't needed at all. Therefore the laws of videogame physics states that clearly ultimecia has no extraneous relationship to her, at all. Like it's dumb to keep arguing it.

I mean, you can't break the laws of video game physics. It's just not done.

[eragon1]

Here's a simple questionWhy argue over something like this?Rinoa won't be ultimecia anyways because in the game you kill her.If you kill ultimecia then that means Rinoa should have died also.therefore they aren't the same.Anyways you kill Utimecia so it doesn't really matter right?If Rinoa does happen to be Ultimecia it won't happen with Squall around and i think in the game they would have brought something this important to our attention.