Rinoa IS You Know Who!! Stop denying it!!!!!!! (Spoilers)

[~SapphireStar~]

@ everyone: Right, so theres no harm in looking into this as fact, but a possiblity? So there is no need for people to state its wrong and false when its for those who are open minded and think there could be more to the ending of the game.

[Omni-Odin]

I would like to point out that if this were true, the game may have had one of the best stories of all time. I love the game in all aspects except the origin of Ultimecia, which it didn't really give. God, I wish they stated it was her in the game.

[Lychon]

@ everyone: Right, so theres no harm in looking into this as fact, but a possiblity? So there is no need for people to state its wrong and false when its for those who are open minded and think there could be more to the ending of the game.

Thanks SapphireStar...I know some people may find the R=U theory absurd, but I believe that the reasoning behind its possibility and plausibility is sound.

-LYCHON

[Qurange]

One problem:

Exactly how does Rinoa live for those hundreds of years? The Sorceress Memorial is /not/ true stasis; it's a prison.

(Idly, I /did/ read the first post, and you still haven't dealt with the statement that Ultimecia exists in a time where Rinoa couldn't exist. Saying 'but she's Ultimecia, not Rinoa' isn't good enough, nor is dismissing my post because you don't like what's in it. As I recall, you accused Sir Bahamut of doing the same thing, so it might be good if you didn't do so.)

Likewise, using Time Compression as a catchall isn't good enough, either; as far as can be shown, Time Compression /ended/ and all of its effects were reversed. The most that could have happened is that a few things would have ended up in the wrong time, but as Rinoa clearly did not, the theory doesn't hold up.

Rinoa is not Ultimecia; the idea could maybe be a decent fanfiction, but that's it. ...Excepting, of course, that it's been done badly a thousand times. I'll acknowledge that it's /possible/, and that your theory is at least better than 'because I said so'...but I still don't see it as particularly plausible.

[Xurts]

I would like to point out that if this were true, the game may have had one of the best stories of all time. I love the game in all aspects except the origin of Ultimecia, which it didn't really give. God, I wish they stated it was her in the game.

The only explanation that the game gives is that Ultimecia is a very powerful sorceress in the future who wants to compress time. That's it. The game doesn't give a reason as to why Ultimecia wants to compress time either.

[Qurange]

Personally, I don't even really /like/ the idea; sure, it's one way to explain things away, but I find it dull. It basically says 'everything ever is about Squall and Rinoa; there are no other motivating factors in the universe.'

I much prefer the idea that Ultimecia is a totally separate person, with her own motivations and goals that she simply felt no need to disclose. It opens a lot of doors, and doesn't twist Rinoa's character beyond recognition.

[Lychon]

One problem:

Exactly how does Rinoa live for those hundreds of years? The Sorceress Memorial is /not/ true stasis; it's a prison.

(Idly, I /did/ read the first post, and you still haven't dealt with the statement that Ultimecia exists in a time where Rinoa couldn't exist. Saying 'but she's Ultimecia, not Rinoa' isn't good enough, nor is dismissing my post because you don't like what's in it. As I recall, you accused Sir Bahamut of doing the same thing, so it might be good if you didn't do so.)

Likewise, using Time Compression as a catchall isn't good enough, either; as far as can be shown, Time Compression /ended/ and all of its effects were reversed. The most that could have happened is that a few things would have ended up in the wrong time, but as Rinoa clearly did not, the theory doesn't hold up.

Rinoa is not Ultimecia; the idea could maybe be a decent fanfiction, but that's it. ...Excepting, of course, that it's been done badly a thousand times. I'll acknowledge that it's /possible/, and that your theory is at least better than 'because I said so'...but I still don't see it as particularly plausible.

First off, neither you nor I know the exact technical specifics of the Sorceress Memorial. From what I understood in the game and from the appearance of Adel after her release, the Sorceress Memorial appears to be a prison in which the captive is placed in stasis. I cannot claim this with absolute definitude because I am not capable of issuing canonical statements about FFVIII. Most of the people with whom I have argued agree that the Sorceress Memorial is some kind of stasis-inducing prison.

Secondly, no one here is using time compression as a "catchall." Time compression is central to the plot of Final Fantasy VIII, and it just so happens that much of the logic behind the possibility and plausibility of R=U revolves around the physical and metaphysical consequences of the event.

Lastly, you are contradicting yourself by now blatantly stating that "Rinoa is not Ultimecia," when you recently admitted that it WAS possible for the theory to be true. (Refer to your statements in post # 78). Unlike you, I do not deal in absolutes because I do not have the authority to do so and I am not arrogant enough to claim to be of authority. I believe I have proven that R=U both plausible and possible. If you refuse to submit to basic logic and rationale, then I'm not you can understand what I am trying to prove.

-LYCHON

EDIT: I want to add a quick note. As most of us know, the Sorceress Memorial was constructed as a facility to seal the powers of a sorceress. If the sorceress is not placed in some kind STASIS, but is simply imprisoned, then the entire facility is useless because simple imprisonment does not restrict a sorceress’s powers. Therefore, it is likely that ADEL MUST have been placed in stasis for her to be effectively quarantined AND prevent her from using any of her powers. Now that's what I call a LOGIC BOMB!!!!

[Jimmy Dark Aeons Slayer]

Do you think Dr.Odine might be Ultimecias great grandfather?

[Lychon]

Do you think Dr.Odine might be Ultimecias great grandfather?

I just edited my last post with a small addition (the bold at the bottom). I believe my last post PROVES that the Sorceress Memorial, along with being a prison, is also a kind of stasis-inducing facility for sorceresses. This means that there is DEFINITELY a SIMPLE and LOGICAL WAY that does not violate the games canonical presentations for Rinoa to reach Ultimecia's time period. R=U Lives!!!

And no, I do not think Dr. Odine is Ultimecia's great grandfather because Ultimecia lives much farther into the future. If Odine was related to Ultimecia in any way, then you should formulate a hypothesis with a proof of the idea's plausibility (just like I have done for R=U).


-LYCHON

[Jimmy Dark Aeons Slayer]

Do you think Dr.Odine might be Ultimecias great grandfather?

I just edited my last post with a small addition (the bold at the bottom). I believe my last post PROVES that the Sorceress Memorial, along with being a prison, is also a kind of stasis-inducing facility for sorceresses. This means that there is DEFINITELY a SIMPLE and LOGICAL WAY that does not violate the games canonical presentations for Rinoa to reach Ultimecia's time period. R=U Lives!!!

And no, I do not think Dr. Odine is Ultimecia's great grandfather because Ultimecia lives much farther into the future. If Odine was related to Ultimecia in any way, then you should formulate a hypothesis with a proof of the idea's plausibility (just like I have done for R=U).


-LYCHON

They both change the letter s with the letter z if i´m not mistaken.

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

Nowhere did you cite any text from the game's script to support your theory, and from my flawless computer memory, none exists. In the future, please post threads such as these in the Writer's Corner. That's where fanfiction belongs.