Revelation of Time Compression

[Viator]

And my comment applies to that post as well.

If you fully understand that/"My previous post", you will change your comment.

[G SpOtZ]

I'm not gonna touch this thread anymore, because I feel like I'm not getting to be a part of it. =\

[Lilliputian Hitcher]

No, because my comment was based on exactly what that post implied. It's not my problem if it had some cryptic meaning that only you understand. How the hell do you expect to get anywhere in a debate if you don’t make your meaning clear?

[Viator]

Also, it IS important that we know whether you consider this a theory or absolute truth.

A theory can become absolute truth and absolute truth can become A theory, it's only the matter of one's perspective.(i.e theory of evolution)

No, because my comment was based on exactly what that post implied. It's not my problem if it had some cryptic meaning that only you understand. How the hell do you expect to get anywhere in a debate if you don’t make your meaning clear?

Maybe you only misunderstand or dont understand My explanation.

[Lilliputian Hitcher]

Urgh!

People understand your posts; stop acting as if this is the problem. If nobody understands you, it's because your posts didn't imply the meaning you wanted to begin with and you have thusly wasted your own time and the time of everyone who read this thread.

[Viator]

Stop talking about personal problems and focus on the topic.

[Lilliputian Hitcher]

What? That didn't even begin to make sense. If that was an attempt at humor, you failed dismally.

[f f freak]

I'm sorry Viator but if it is not possible to compress time then it is not possible to absorb it, now I am quoting from you, because time is infinite meaning they would be absorbing forever and ever and ever if your theory is true. Also may I add that this is only a game and their are only a certain few people who know the truth and that is the CREATORS!!!!

[Ryushikaze]

I already said it depends on one's perpective.
The reasult is you misunderstand My explanation.

See, here's the thing. IT SHOULDN'T depend on one's perspective. It should be true, regardless of the perspective you have on it.

Ryusikaze, please dont make a personal attact like that.Take it easy.

You think THAT'S a personal attack? You have no idea what a personal attack is, do you?

If time is finite you cant go to the past.

Unsupported claim. PROVE IT.

Ultimecia uses TC term because She thinks she can compress time but She was wrong that's why She absorb Time

I like how you act as if absorbing time is a change of tactic for Ulti, given that her goal was to BECOME REALITY in the first place, requiring it's absorption. Of course, in this case, absorbing time would compress it, since she was not becoming any more voluminous as she absorbed.

That scan info tells us Ultimecia is TRYING to compress time.She only T-R-Y-I-N-G,trying.Then she realized She cant to compress time because time is infinite, that's why in that Final Battle She transformed to absorb Time.

Prove time is infinite. Prove time cannot be compressed IF infinite. Prove she was even trying to compress the future instead of the much simpler, effective, and sensible act of using the past as fuel for the recasting of existence.

Then again, religion never needs proof. Just asserations, and that's all you're giving us. So how about you stop calling this a theory and admit it's a religion.

A theory can become absolute truth and absolute truth can become A theory, it's only the matter of one's perspective.(i.e theory of evolution)

OH NO IT CAN'T! You don't even understand the scientific method! A theory is never absolute truth, it merely attempts to explain the observed phenomenon. It can NEVER become absolute truth.

The theory of evolution is the 'best fit' way to explain the process of evolution, which, sorry to all you creation nutters out there, is now an observed phenomenon, what with the nylon and styrofoam eating bacteria that have evolved in the last 100 years.

[Viator]

I'm sorry Viator but if it is not possible to compress time then it is not possible to absorb it,

It is possible to absorb something that infinite.

now I am quoting from you, because time is infinite meaning they would be absorbing forever and ever and ever if your theory is true.

That's why there 2 Ultimecias in the Final Battle.
The First Ultimecia will keep absorbing time.
The Second Ultimecia will reign in TC world.

If you see it like this way, you will realise Why Ultimecia can absorbing time.

Also may I add that this is only a game and their are only a certain few people who know the truth and that is the CREATORS!!!!

The Creator is Ultimecia.

See, here's the thing. IT SHOULDN'T depend on one's perspective. It should be true, regardless of the perspective you have on it.

Of course it depends on one's perspective.
For example : 10 person read a bible and the result is only 1 person believe that bible while the others dont believe it.
You see,it depends on one's perpective.

You think THAT'S a personal attack? You have no idea what a personal attack is, do you?

Well if you ask one of the admin they will say you make a personal attack.

If time is finite you cant go to the past.

Unsupported claim. PROVE IT.

If time is finite you cant go to the past because there's no past or future in the "finite time".The finite time will over right away when the time is start because it's finite and only left with "timeless" when it's over and of course this is not the characteristic of Time because time never stop;time is infinite.

Squall can go to the past,that is the proof Time in FF8 World is infinite.

I like how you act as if absorbing time is a change of tactic for Ulti, given that her goal was to BECOME REALITY in the first place, requiring it's absorption. Of course, in this case, absorbing time would compress it, since she was not becoming any more voluminous as she absorbed.

you can imagine Her compressing Time but the fact is She absorbing Time.

Prove time is infinite.

I think this life is already enough to prove it.

Prove time cannot be compressed IF infinite.

Then I ask you a question how can you compress something infinite?

Prove she was even trying to compress the future instead of the much simpler, effective, and sensible act of using the past as fuel for the recasting of existence.

You said you already read My Explanation many times then why you still say something like that.

The hardest question about Time Compression is :
Why Ultimecia needs to go to the past to perform Time Compression?
Actually this is not a question, this question was only tricked us. We were tricked by this question for a long time and we were confused by this question, why? because this is not the right question.
The right question is : HOW Ultimecia performs Time Compression?
The answer is :
Ultimecia cast Time Compression Magic + Ellone’s Power = Time Compression.

We were always tricked by the fact Ultimecia go to the past, that’s why we always think she needs to go to the past to perform Time Compression.
Ultimecia doesn’t need to go to the past to perform Time Compression She ONLY needs Ellone’s Power to perform Time Compression.
Ellone’s Power can send someone's consciousness to the past.
So Ultimecia go to the past is INEVITABLE if She wants to perform Time Compression because that is how Ellone's Power works(send someone's consciousness to the past).
Ultimecia uses Ellone’s Power when she go to the past and cast Time Compression Magic to make Time Compression happens.

Ultimecia cast Time Compression Magic + Ellone’s Power = Time Compression.

Then again, religion never needs proof. Just asserations, and that's all you're giving us. So how about you stop calling this a theory and admit it's a religion.

If religion never needs proof then that is not religion,that is belief.

OH NO IT CAN'T! You don't even understand the scientific method! A theory is never absolute truth, it merely attempts to explain the observed phenomenon. It can NEVER become absolute truth.

Then how about Newton's theory and Einstein's theory about Gravity?
Is that a theoy or an absolute truth?
I think they are both.

Will there be an infinite amount of time in the future? This is difficult to judge. According to the classical theory of the Big Bang, the answer depends on whether events will keep occurring. The best estimate from the cosmologists these days is that the expansion of the universe will continue forever. There always will be the events of galaxies getting farther apart, and so time will have an infinite duration in the future, even though gravity will continue to compact much of the matter into black holes.

I find an explanation about about time by Vincent Mianji.
Well just read it if you have time.

http://physics.nad.ru/engboard/messages/504.html

[Ryushikaze]

It is possible to absorb something that infinite.

But not to compress it, even though by the very act of absorbing, you compress.

That's why there 2 Ultimecias in the Final Battle.
The First Ultimecia will keep absorbing time.
The Second Ultimecia will reign in TC world.

Except Ulti's goal was to recast reality once it was fully compressed.

If you see it like this way, you will realise Why Ultimecia can absorbing time.

*Twitches at the horrendous grammar* You assume many things. This time, you assume we deny that Ulti was absorbing compressed time. This is not true.

The Creator is Ultimecia.

Ultimecia did not write Final Fantasy Eight.

Of course it depends on one's perspective.
For example : 10 person read a bible and the result is only 1 person believe that bible while the others dont believe it.
You see,it depends on one's perpective.

Yes, bring up a faith based argument- one that actually wilts under a rational observation- to rebut a point about empiricism. DOES NOT COMPUTE. Let me rephrase this- YOUR POINTS SHOULD BE VERIFIABLE IN A RATIONAL, IMPERSONAL FASHION. Your evidence should not rely on personal perspective to even exist. Your problem is that all of your evidence is of this 'differing perspectives' kind. That, and 'It MUST be this way' sans support.

Well if you ask one of the admin they will say you make a personal attack.

Let me rephrase that: If you think that's a personal attack, you ain't seen nothin' yet. And no, it wasn't a personal attack. It was a vent about your inability to present a new response other than "It's YOUR problem, not mine, that my idea makes no sense"

If time is finite you cant go to the past because there's no past or future in the "finite time".The finite time will over right away when the time is start because it's finite and only left with "timeless" when it's over and of course this is not the characteristic of Time because time never stop;time is infinite.

This makes no sense, and you apparently misunderstand the meaning of finite. Try again.

Squall can go to the past,that is the proof Time in FF8 World is infinite.

No, it is proof that time travel is possible, which is NOT reliant upon finite or infinite time.

you can imagine Her compressing Time but the fact is She absorbing Time.

No DER. To become all existence, one must consume all existence.

I think this life is already enough to prove it.

Despite time having a beginning and a probable end?

Then I ask you a question how can you compress something infinite?

How can you absorb something infinite? The same way.

You said you already read My Explanation many times then why you still say something like that.

One of your 'proofs' against TC is the time is infinite. This is only the case IF the crunch does not occur and the future stretches endlessly. If Ulti only concerns herself with the past and absorbs at a rate faster than the passage of time, then the problem of infinite time is an utter non issue.

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I'm noticing a lot of unsupported claims presented as fact in here. Try empirical evidence next time. Hopefully in the form of in game evidence or authorial statements.

If religion never needs proof then that is not religion,that is belief.

Funny how those two words go hand in hand... Religion is almost always based off of a belief without evidence. Religions are also quite often dogmatic, refuse to show proof, and claim that those who disagree are somehow flawed- that the problem is with the disputer, not the claimant. Reminds me of someone.

Then how about Newton's theory and Einstein's theory about Gravity? Is that a theoy or an absolute truth?
I think they are both.

Both are merely theories.

They merely attempt to explain the objective reality they observe. They only claim to be truth inasmuch as they explain that reality very well. On the other hand, NO scientist worth their salt has the hubris to assume their theory is absolute truth.

[Viator]

But not to compress it, even though by the very act of absorbing, you compress.

If you cant seperate the meaning of absorbing and compressing then you should stop talking those things.

Except Ulti's goal was to recast reality once it was fully compressed.

WRONG.

*Twitches at the horrendous grammar* You assume many things. This time, you assume we deny that Ulti was absorbing compressed time. This is not true.

What do you mean "compressed time' anyway?

Ultimecia did not write Final Fantasy Eight.

Ultimecia is The Creator of Time Compression.

Yes, bring up a faith based argument- one that actually wilts under a rational observation- to rebut a point about empiricism. DOES NOT COMPUTE. Let me rephrase this- YOUR POINTS SHOULD BE VERIFIABLE IN A RATIONAL, IMPERSONAL FASHION. Your evidence should not rely on personal perspective to even exist. Your problem is that all of your evidence is of this 'differing perspectives' kind. That, and 'It MUST be this way' sans support.

You said yes but you still keep talking like that?
Give Me a break...

Let me rephrase that: If you think that's a personal attack, you ain't seen nothin' yet. And no, it wasn't a personal attack. It was a vent about your inability to present a new response other than "It's YOUR problem, not mine, that my idea makes no sense"

Yes that is a personal attack.
It just your inability to understand My Explanation.

This makes no sense, and you apparently misunderstand the meaning of finite. Try again.

I think you are the one misunderstand the meaning of time.

No, it is proof that time travel is possible, which is NOT reliant upon finite or infinite time.

You still dont understand...?

No DER. To become all existence, one must consume all existence.

Ultimecia never trying to become all existance.
All existance is infinite.

Despite time having a beginning and a probable end?

Life never has a beginning or an ending.

How can you absorb something infinite? The same way.

Wrong answer.

One of your 'proofs' against TC is the time is infinite. This is only the case IF the crunch does not occur and the future stretches endlessly. If Ulti only concerns herself with the past and absorbs at a rate faster than the passage of time, then the problem of infinite time is an utter non issue.

It doesnt matter where Ulti cast the spell because Ultimecia is the center of TC.

I'm noticing a lot of unsupported claims presented as fact in here. Try empirical evidence next time. Hopefully in the form of in game evidence or authorial statements.

I already give the in game evidence and you still dont get it.

Funny how those two words go hand in hand... Religion is almost always based off of a belief without evidence. Religions are also quite often dogmatic, refuse to show proof, and claim that those who disagree are somehow flawed- that the problem is with the disputer, not the claimant. Reminds me of someone.

I hope we can stop talking this stupid religion thing.

Both are merely theories.

They merely attempt to explain the objective reality they observe. They only claim to be truth inasmuch as they explain that reality very well. On the other hand, NO scientist worth their salt has the hubris to assume their theory is absolute truth.

Their theories explain the reality in this universe and many scientists believe their theories.

[Mirage]

Here's a newsflash. She doesn't have to compress all time, only back to the first sorceress. This means it is irrelevant whether time is finite or infinite.
That aside, I agree with Ultimecia first having to compress it in order to absorb it.

[f f freak]

Ultimecia is The Creator of Time Compression

Actually Viator I said there is only set of people who know the truth the creators notice plural meaning I was talking about the people who created the game. Think before you post next time. Also you don't know that Ulti was the creator of TC there might have been countless Sorceresses who have tried to do it.

[Ryushikaze]

If you cant seperate the meaning of absorbing and compressing then you should stop talking those things.

When you place more and more of something into a given volume without increading the volume, you compress it. As Ulti absorbs, she gathers more and more into her given volume. Compression occurs.

WRONG.

One word answers do not rebuttals make. You must provide a reason why I am wrong.

What do you mean "compressed time' anyway?

You've GOT to be joking. You are joking, right?

Ultimecia is The Creator of Time Compression.

Again, Ultimecia did not write Final Fantasy Eight.

You said yes but you still keep talking like that?
Give Me a break...

"What is Sarcasm, Alex" "That is correct". Just because I say 'yes', it doesn't mean I agree with you. A tip, read my bit here again, but when I say 'yes', imagine I am rolling my eyes, because I am.

Yes that is a personal attack.
It just your inability to understand My Explanation.

Well, if my original post qualifies as a personal attack, so does that.

I think you are the one misunderstand the meaning of time.

If you've got a better one than the one I used several posts ago, I'd like to see it.

You still dont understand...?

There's nothing to understand. Your argument of finite time is based on a false premise.

Ultimecia never trying to become all existance.
All existance is infinite.

The second is an unsupported and incorrect assumption. And if Ulti's not attempting to become existence- then why is she attempting to consume it all?

Life never has a beginning or an ending.

"Birth" and "Death" wish to have words.

Wrong answer.

It's not a wrong answer to point out the flaw in your thinking.

It doesnt matter where Ulti cast the spell because Ultimecia is the center of TC.

Irrelevant response! I said nothing about casting the spell! I said there was an incredibly easy workaround to one of your key 'disproofs'. Since you didn't address this, CONCESSION ACCEPTED.

I already give the in game evidence and you still dont get it.

Key word: EMPIRICAL.

I hope we can stop talking this stupid religion thing.

Just as soon as you stop spouting dogma.

Their theories explain the reality in this universe and many scientists believe their theories.

Which does NOT in any way, shape or form rebut the points I made in the argument you were responding to. Theories do a GOOD JOB of explaining reality. Scientists think these explain this best, but are always on the look out for a better theory. Even those who FRONT these theories are willing to discard them if a better, more parsimonious theory can be advanced.