I, on the other hand, am old enough, And I'd like to bet that there is no hell.Originally Posted by Sir Bahamut
Pay up.
I, on the other hand, am old enough, And I'd like to bet that there is no hell.
Pay up.
Ha good one Ryushikaze.
Au contraire. Try reading all 10 pages in this thread in one go.I, on the other hand, am old enough, And I'd like to bet that there is no hell.
Pish posh. Tis comedic gold, not a hellish read.
Of course, WERE this thread hell, F- I mean Viator and Bahamut's bet would be redundant, as they are both already there.
Says who?I'm just a KID, I'm not old enough to bet yet
I understand it.well maybe you should read it again and see if you can understand it through all those spelling mistakes and grammatical errors
The work of compressing is almost the same with absorbing if you can imagine it.How does compressing something have anything to do with absorbing it?
You will find the answer after you dead.I, on the other hand, am old enough, And I'd like to bet that there is no hell.
Pay up.
If you compressing time it will destroyed.
If you absorbing time it will become something like a single point
Last edited by Viator; 07-23-2006 at 09:57 AM.
Someday I will conquer all and I will be free -- Believe
Or, we can play the parsimony card and conclude that with absolutely zero empirical evidence to support your position, there is no reason to see it as true. And if you cannot prove that your pro-hell claim is true, we default to the negative, making me the winner of the bet.
Of course, if we play the parsimony card, this entire thread is meaningless, as your entire postulate is made redundant by the in game explanation.
Now then, back to your 'points', if they can be classed as such.
On the contrary, the judging of others is not only believable, but utterly commonplace. At least I have the common decency to say what I think and not hide behind false civility.
...You've not explained how, or how shooting star is even relevantI already said it almost the same like shooting star, got that?
Perhaps, but then we wouldn't have had all this wonderful fun.Say what you want maybe I should just ignore you from the first time.
Thank you hypocrite. When you were telling me to prove your argument, don't try and tell me off when I turn the tables back on you.I shouldnt explain time is finite because you are the one talking that time is finite.You are the one should explain it not Me.
Nope, definitely your failure in the argument creation and explanations departments.No it just your inability to understand My explanation.
Then, by necessity, it is your perspective which has the problem.The problem lies on one's perspective
Anytime Ulti's intent is brought up, she is attempting to create a world where time is compressed.They never stated "compressed time"
No. No no no no no no no. Even if space and time continue infinitely, any GIVEN chunk of time is FINITE.Big Band to now is infinite time because space always expand and Time never stop.
Because SGB never says or does anything, and PUB is the one to declare the intent.How can you know?
And in one tiny quote, you reveal your utter ignorance of the meaning of compression. A black hole is compressed matter. What is a black hole? A supermass in an ultratiny volume.If you compressing time that time will destroyed.
If you absorbing it it will become something like a single point
Tell that to your god, if you have one.Or, we can play the parsimony card and conclude that with absolutely zero empirical evidence to support your position, there is no reason to see it as true. And if you cannot prove that your pro-hell claim is true, we default to the negative, making me the winner of the bet.
Of course, if we play the parsimony card, this entire thread is meaningless, as your entire postulate is made redundant by the in game explanation.
Time Compression is a word same as shoothing stars,we know that is not star we see fall BUT meteor.Scan Ultimecia it said Absorbing Time and Space NOT compressing....You've not explained how, or how shooting star is even relevant
This is the proof that TC is absorbing NOT compressing
So the meaning of Time Compression is Absorbing Time and Space NOT Compresseng Time and Space.
You call this wonderfull fun?Perhaps, but then we wouldn't have had all this wonderful fun.
I call this a waste of time.
.Thank you hypocrite. When you were telling me to prove your argument, don't try and tell me off when I turn the tables back on you
Shut up.
You stated that time is finite but you dont even prove it.
This is your failure to understand it.Nope, definitely your failure in the argument creation and explanations departments.
Ok let we try.
That/My explanation is true or false?
No it was yours.Then, by necessity, it is your perspective which has the problem.
She want to create something we dont even know.Anytime Ulti's intent is brought up, she is attempting to create a world where time is compressed.
No matter what are you saying, time never stop;time is infinite.No. No no no no no no no. Even if space and time continue infinitely, any GIVEN chunk of time is FINITE.
You still cant imagine what I am saying?And in one tiny quote, you reveal your utter ignorance of the meaning of compression. A black hole is compressed matter. What is a black hole? A supermass in an ultratiny volume.
Someday I will conquer all and I will be free -- Believe
Not that that's even a comeback, but how is having a god- which there is also no evidence for- relevant to the fact that there is no evidence for the existence of the metaphysical concept of hell as anything more than a concept? How does this rebut the fact that without said proof, the position defaults to the negative claim being correct, meaning that until any such time as you can present empirical evidence of your hell, I win the bet? Seriously, this should be rich.
Step 1- Compress. Step 2- Consume. Step 3- Recast in own image. Step 4- Rule. Step 5- ????? Step 6- Profit.Time Compression is a word same as shoothing stars,we know that is not star we see fall BUT meteor.Scan Ultimecia it said Absorbing Time and Space NOT compressing.
No, this is evidence that Ultimecia is absorbing time as you scan her- which, as explained, would compress it anyways- not that she never compressed time, as she and everyone else said that she would.This is the proof that TC is absorbing NOT compressing
Six of one, half a dozen, given that she can compress and not absorb, but not absorb without compressing.So the meaning of Time Compression is Absorbing Time and Space NOT Compresseng Time and Space.
That, my good befuddle friend, is an actual matter of perspective. Y'know, unlike your argument's lack of correctness, which is a matter of rational thought.You call this wonderfull fun?
I call this a waste of time.
"Viator said, trying to ignore the fact that he had not done such for infinite time, and had in fact failed to explain how time was infinite within an explicitly defined finite period"Shut up.
You stated that time is finite but you dont even prove it.
[QUOTE]This is your failure to understand it.
Ok let we try.
Assumption- Wave theory is correct: In reality, wave theory is partially correct. Matter can exist without time. Time cannot exist sans matter.
Assumption- That Ultimecia wanted to access the sorceress's powers, and not the much more fulfilling whole of reality, which would be a much better power source, as it is being converted by SGB into power.
When time decompresses, it simply pours back out of her and back into its original positions, as it seeks its original status.
My perspective is grounded in analysis of known variable. Your is based on unsupported additional variables. My perspective is by default better, as it adheres to the logical principle of parsimony.No it was yours.
No, her posessees, privy to her thoughts, state her intent is to compress time.She want to create something we dont even know.
Given finite number set Q, From Q-Alpha to Q-Omega is FINITE.No matter what are you saying, time never stop;time is infinite.
Given time length "Now", from Big Bang to now is finite.
No, I imagine it perfectly. It is blatantly incorrect. Compression is not destruction. Compression is reducing size while maintaining content. If I compress a file on my computer, that file is fully intact, it just takes less space on my HDD.You still cant imagine what I am saying?
Let me sum up- You, Viator, think that the creators of Final Fantasy Eight decided to make the major goal of the villian for the better part of the game a giant red herring, based on your really specific interpretation of one piece of scan information which you claim absolutely overrides every other piece of evidence, DESPITE the fact that it can EASILY be explained into the EXISTING data without the need for additional variables as your postulate does. BY PARSIMONY, the working explanation with the fewest number of extraneous terms is the best. Your explanation is nothing BUT extraneous terms, and without any real empirical support, I might add.
No it isn't. Compress means to make something smaller. Absorb means to take something in. e.g. You absorb knowledge to learn something you don't compress it to learn it so that pretty much crushes what you said.
So Viator, if you're so knowledgeable about the physics of FF8, could you please explain to me why FF8's south pole isn't covered in ice? and also, where exactly is it on the map?
everything is wrapped in gray
i'm focusing on your image
can you hear me in the void?
Wrong.Step 1- Compress. Step 2- Consume. Step 3- Recast in own image. Step 4- Rule. Step 5- ????? Step 6- Profit.
You will never know what is her up to.
I already said compressing and absorbing almost have the same meaning in TC Condition.No, this is evidence that Ultimecia is absorbing time as you scan her- which, as explained, would compress it anyways- not that she never compressed time, as she and everyone else said that she would.
I see you still dont understand compressing and absorbing in this TC condition.
Ultimecia is the center of TC that means TC is absorbing NOT compressing.Six of one, half a dozen, given that she can compress and not absorb, but not absorb without compressing.
If you cant prove time is finite like you said just shut up."Viator said, trying to ignore the fact that he had not done such for infinite time, and had in fact failed to explain how time was infinite within an explicitly defined finite period"
Stop your babling and just answer that/My explanation is true or false?Assumption- Wave theory is correct: In reality, wave theory is partially correct. Matter can exist without time. Time cannot exist sans matter.
Assumption- That Ultimecia wanted to access the sorceress's powers, and not the much more fulfilling whole of reality, which would be a much better power source, as it is being converted by SGB into power.
When time decompresses, it simply pours back out of her and back into its original positions, as it seeks its original status.
She only TRYING to compress time.No, her posessees, privy to her thoughts, state her intent is to compress time.
But then She realized that She cant compress time because time is infinite that's why She absorb it in Final Battle.
Like I said no matter what are you saying, time never stop;time is infinite.Given finite number set Q, From Q-Alpha to Q-Omega is FINITE.
Given time length "Now", from Big Bang to now is finite.
I am talking about time.No, I imagine it perfectly. It is blatantly incorrect. Compression is not destruction. Compression is reducing size while maintaining content. If I compress a file on my computer, that file is fully intact, it just takes less space on my HDD.
If you compressing time that time will destroyed.No it isn't. Compress means to make something smaller. Absorb means to take something in. e.g. You absorb knowledge to learn something you don't compress it to learn it so that pretty much crushes what you said.
If you absorb time that time will become something like a single point.
Maybe that is the effect of Lunar Cry.So Viator, if you're so knowledgeable about the physics of FF8, could you please explain to me why FF8's south pole isn't covered in ice? and also, where exactly is it on the map?
Time is something that passes uniformly without regard to whatever happens in the world.Time is a measure of the cycles of change within the world.
Last edited by Viator; 07-24-2006 at 04:30 AM.
Someday I will conquer all and I will be free -- Believe
From stage one- A sorceress trying to change the world by compressing time and taking power from all sorceresses.
What's that? She's trying to CHANGE the world.
I see you still don't understand compressing and absorbing period.I already said compressing and absorbing almost have the same meaning in TC Condition.
I see you still dont understand compressing and absorbing in this TC condition.
Viator, you're nothing but a broken record.Ultimecia is the center of TC that means TC is absorbing NOT compressing.
You go first. You're the one claiming infinite time without proof, and claiming that time is infinite in a clearly defined finite period.If you cant prove time is finite like you said just shut up.
Oh very much false. Though since you seem to consider any explanation babbling, I'll simply pull a you and repeat that you don't understand how you are wrong when asked to provide an explanation.Stop your babling and just answer that/My explanation is true or false?
Again, you are acting like absorbtion is a change of tactic, rather than step two of her plan to change the world.She only TRYING to compress time.
But then She realized that She cant compress time because time is infinite that's why She absorb it in Final Battle.
Congratulations, you have proven yourself, beyond a doubt, to either be irrational, or not paying any attention to what I write, possibly both.Like I said no matter what are you saying, time never stop;time is infinite.
Compression is compression regardless of what is being compressed.I am talking about time.
Put the two together- absorbing time destroys it.If you compressing time that time will destroyed.
If you absorb time that time will become something like a single point.
Slow. Stop. Haste. Time compression itself. All ways of altering the 'uniform' flow of time in FF8.Time is something that passes uniformly without regard to whatever happens in the world.Time is a measure of the cycles of change within the world.
Exactly She only trying.From stage one- A sorceress trying to change the world by compressing time and taking power from all sorceresses.
What's that? She's trying to CHANGE the world.
I am afraid it was you.I see you still don't understand compressing and absorbing period.
You knew that Ultimecia absorbing time so stop talking about compressing thing.Ultimecia is the center of TC that means TC is absorbing NOT compressing.
Viator, you're nothing but a broken record.
You better judge yourself and see if you can honest to yourself.
I know you cant prove time is finite because time never stop that means time is infinite.Because you cant prove it, just shut up.You go first. You're the one claiming infinite time without proof, and claiming that time is infinite in a clearly defined finite period.
You said that/my explanation is false?Oh very much false. Though since you seem to consider any explanation babbling, I'll simply pull a you and repeat that you don't understand how you are wrong when asked to provide an explanation.
That means you dont understand anything about TC.
I dont care if you stil dont understand it.Again, you are acting like absorbtion is a change of tactic, rather than step two of her plan to change the world.
What you write (about time is finite) is nonsense.Congratulations, you have proven yourself, beyond a doubt, to either be irrational, or not paying any attention to what I write, possibly both.
Compressing time will destroyed time itself because compressing time will make time become nothingness.Compression is compression regardless of what is being compressed.
Put the two together- absorbing time destroys it.
Time has many infinite time dimensions
The number of time dimensions is infinite. This means that you cannot count how many time dimensions as it goes on forever.
Time has intervals. This means that the time dimensions have intervals between each other. In other words, it is the time difference between each time dimension. But really, there isn’t any because the difference is so small, a time dimension could equal that difference which again has interval difference that just goes on for infinity but gets smaller in difference each time.
Time force relies on itself to keep it going. This means that every time dimension there are, they are all needed to rely on each other to keep time itself going. If this is true, then time is infinite which is true and so this is true.
If time relies on itself to be infinite, then that must mean there is a loop of time.
Time is always everywhere. Wherever anything is, there will always be time.
If time exists anywhere, then in a black hole where they say there is no time, there has to be time, or everything is nothing. It only slows it down so much it hardly moves but still does move.
Time is something that passes uniformly without regard to whatever happens in the world.Time is a measure of the cycles of change within the world.
Absorbing time will make A New Dimension of Time where Any Dimension of Time (past,present,future and whatnot) exist together in That New Dimension of Time.
Last edited by Viator; 07-24-2006 at 11:08 AM.
Someday I will conquer all and I will be free -- Believe
Concession accepted. We DO know Ulti's motives, and that motive is to change the world. A tip: When attempting to argue, it helps not to agree with your oppponent's position. It also helps to be correct.
Viaparrot strikes again! EXPLAIN HOW.I am afraid it was you.
Why? No one is denying there is an act of absorption involved. You, on the other hand, are the only one who thinks that it is somehow a change in tactic after a critical oversight, rather than step two in the master plan.You knew that Ultimecia absorbing time so stop talking about compressing thing.
I find myself not guilty.You better judge yourself and see if you can honest to yourself.
In massive enough singularities, time stops. In the universal singularity that the universe may become, time stops. In a heat death universe, time stops as EVERYTHING stops.I know you cant prove time is finite because time never stop that means time is infinite.Because you cant prove it, just shut up.
Or maybe it means that your explanation is bunkum.You said that/my explanation is false?
That means you dont understand anything about TC.
And I don't care how many f'in times you repeat that, it doesn't make your position any more true, any more parsimonious, or any less asinine.I dont care if you stil dont understand it.
Given ANY explicitly finite set, no value within that finite set is infinite.What you write (about time is finite) is nonsense.
Prove it.Compressing time will destroyed time itself because compressing time will make time become nothingness.
I KNEW IT, I KNEW IT, I KNEW IT. I just had to wait for you to hang yourself. Your argument IS based on the dichotomy paradox. It's BUNKUM.Time has many infinite time dimensions
The number of time dimensions is infinite. This means that you cannot count how many time dimensions as it goes on forever.
Time has intervals. This means that the time dimensions have intervals between each other. In other words, it is the time difference between each time dimension. But really, there isn’t any because the difference is so small, a time dimension could equal that difference which again has interval difference that just goes on for infinity but gets smaller in difference each time.
Not only is your premise totally unfounded, but you've got your laws of causation totally backwards.Time force relies on itself to keep it going. This means that every time dimension there are, they are all needed to rely on each other to keep time itself going. If this is true, then time is infinite which is true and so this is true.
Addendum: AND your logic is circular. Backwards AND circular. Impressive. Wrong, but impressive.
Prove time A: relies upon itself B: is infinite. Then C: Reconcile time loop with infinite time. Loops are connected to themselves, connecting beginning and end to keep circling. However, this does not make an infinite amount of time. It makes recycled time.If time relies on itself to be infinite, then that must mean there is a loop of time.
Except in singularities.Time is always everywhere. Wherever anything is, there will always be time.
IF. Key word IF. You cannot base a conclusion on an unsupported premise.If time exists anywhere, then in a black hole where they say there is no time, there has to be time, or everything is nothing. It only slows it down so much it hardly moves but still does move.
Except time does NOT pass uniformly without regards to the world, even in our reality.Time is something that passes uniformly without regard to whatever happens in the world.Time is a measure of the cycles of change within the world.
A temporal singularity. And what is a singularity? A massive locale of compressed matter, and in this case, time.Absorbing time will make A New Dimension of Time where Any Dimension of Time (past,present,future and whatnot) exist together in That New Dimension of Time.
The thing about your postulate is that- despite your claim that compression of time destroys time- your end result is that very thing you said did not exist, namely, singular, compressed time.
And in the future, stop trying to use hypotheticals like they're absolutes.
Last edited by Ryushikaze; 07-24-2006 at 11:44 PM.
Ryushikaze just owned you, Viator. Just shut up and read it over and over until you understand.
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