Revelation of Time Compression

[f f freak]

Ha Viator got owned. LOL!!!!!

[G SpOtZ]

You guys are being a bit rough on Viator, don't ya think? I mean, he's ALWAYS right. You guys should give him more credit than that... because, you know, game creators are wrong about their games they created.


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[f f freak]

Yes I suppose you are right. He is right about everything. All hail Viator.

[Zeromus_X]

Is it finally over?

[Viator]

Concession accepted. We DO know Ulti's motives, and that motive is to change the world. A tip: When attempting to argue, it helps not to agree with your oppponent's position. It also helps to be correct.

She only trying to compressing time but She realised She cant that's why She absorb it in that Final Battle.

Viaparrot strikes again! EXPLAIN HOW.

I think I dont need to explain it again even I explain it to you again you still dont understand so why bother.

Why? No one is denying there is an act of absorption involved. You, on the other hand, are the only one who thinks that it is somehow a change in tactic after a critical oversight, rather than step two in the master plan.

I never think like that.

I find myself not guilty.

See you lied to yourself.
Everyone is guilty.

In massive enough singularities, time stops. In the universal singularity that the universe may become, time stops. In a heat death universe, time stops as EVERYTHING stops.

As long as there's something in the universe time will never stop.

Or maybe it means that your explanation is bunkum.

That/My explanation is true.You just dont understand it.

Given ANY explicitly finite set, no value within that finite set is infinite.

Time is not finite, time will never stop.

Prove it.

I dont need to prove it because that's the way it is whether you accept it or not.

I KNEW IT, I KNEW IT, I KNEW IT. I just had to wait for you to hang yourself. Your argument IS based on the dichotomy paradox. It's BUNKUM.

You better ask your physics teacher or something like that if you still dont understand.

Not only is your premise totally unfounded, but you've got your laws of causation totally backwards.
Addendum: AND your logic is circular. Backwards AND circular. Impressive. Wrong, but impressive.

Time force relies on itself to keep it going. This means that every time dimension there are, they are all needed to rely on each other to keep time itself going. If this is true, then time is infinite which is true and so this is true.That is the characteristic of time.

Prove time A: relies upon itself B: is infinite. Then C: Reconcile time loop with infinite time. Loops are connected to themselves, connecting beginning and end to keep circling. However, this does not make an infinite amount of time. It makes recycled time.

It would better if you ask your physics teacher if you have one because you always ignore My argument.

Except in singularities.

Not really.
Time exist everwhere.

IF. Key word IF. You cannot base a conclusion on an unsupported premise.

Well the truth is time EXIST everywhere.

Except time does NOT pass uniformly without regards to the world, even in our reality.

Time DOES pass uniformly without regards to whatever happens in the world

The thing about your postulate is that- despite your claim that compression of time destroys time- your end result is that very thing you said did not exist, namely, singular, compressed time.

Compressed time dont exist because time is infinite if that exist time will become timeless.

Absorbing time will make A New Dimension of Time where Any Dimension of Time (past,present,future and whatnot) exist together in That New Dimension of Time.

This New Demension of Time will keep contain All Time (past,present,future and whatnot) because time is infinite the process of absorbing time will go on forever, that's why there's 2 Ultimecias, The First Ultimecia will keep absorbing time to make The New Dimension of Time and The Second Ultimecia Ultimecia will/can reign in That New Dimension of Time.

[Zeromus_X]

...I guess not.

[Ryushikaze]

She only trying to compressing time but She realised She cant that's why She absorb it in that Final Battle.

Please, good sir, point us to where she states that her prior plan is in the crapper. What's that? You cannot? You're insisting that it is a change of plan without evidence to support this claim?

I'll answer for you. You are.

I think I dont need to explain it again even I explain it to you again you still dont understand so why bother.

Then you concede the point. Thank you.

I never think like that.

So you deny ever making the claim that Ultimecia changed tactics?
That could make continued conversation either incredibly easy or difficult.

See you lied to yourself.
Everyone is guilty.

Y'know, I could try responding to this in a falsely injured tone, but humor goes totally over your head, so I'll respond thusly.
"Guilty of what, and where is your evidence?"

And while I'm rather hard to offend, in the future, try not to call people liars without evidence thereof.

As long as there's something in the universe time will never stop.

So you claim. Burdern of proof is now on you to support this position.

That/My explanation is true.You just dont understand it.

No, your explanation is bullhonky and you're too dogmatic to realize that.

Time is not finite, time will never stop.

Red herring. Here let me be more specific. If I have ONE HOUR of Time, I have a FINITE amount of time. Big Bang to NOW is ALSO a finite amount of time.

I dont need to prove it because that's the way it is whether you accept it or not.

Concession accepted.

You better ask your physics teacher or something like that if you still dont understand.

And you should look up the dichotomy paradox and understand why your argument, which is based off of it whether or not you realize it, is flawed.

Time force relies on itself to keep it going. This means that every time dimension there are, they are all needed to rely on each other to keep time itself going. If this is true, then time is infinite which is true and so this is true.That is the characteristic of time.

And what does he do when accused of committing numerous logical fallacies? Repeat those self same fallacious arguments without even ATTEMPTING to defend their logic.

It would better if you ask your physics teacher if you have one because you always ignore My argument.

You say that like you've ever actually listened to mine.
Of course, this repetition to ask a physics teacher tells me we're straying into appeal to authority territory here. Though since you brought your god into the argument for no practical purpose, that really comes as no shock.

Not really.
Time exist everwhere.

Well the truth is time EXIST everywhere.

Time DOES pass uniformly without regards to whatever happens in the world[/QUOTE]

Repeat after me- EXCEPT IN A SINGULARITY, WHERE THE TYPICAL RULES OF SPACE AND TIME DO NOT APPLY.

Compressed time dont exist because time is infinite if that exist time will become timeless.

Absorbing time will make A New Dimension of Time where Any Dimension of Time (past,present,future and whatnot) exist together in That New Dimension of Time.

Compressed, as it were, into a singular point. How about that.

This New Demension of Time will keep contain All Time (past,present,future and whatnot) because time is infinite the process of absorbing time will go on forever, that's why there's 2 Ultimecias, The First Ultimecia will keep absorbing time to make The New Dimension of Time and The Second Ultimecia Ultimecia will/can reign in That New Dimension of Time.

You DO know that the secondary Ulti is the input side, right?
Besides, this violates SO many types of parsimony it's... actually kinda funny.

So, yeah. You basically wind up in the same place as regular Time compression, only you require a lot more terms to get there, most of which are completely and utterly unsupported. Anywhere.

[Viator]

Please, good sir, point us to where she states that her prior plan is in the crapper. What's that? You cannot? You're insisting that it is a change of plan without evidence to support this claim?So you deny ever making the claim that Ultimecia changed tactics?
That could make continued conversation either incredibly easy or difficult.

TC is Magic.Ultimecia really wants to compress time even She realized Time is infinite because She really wants to compress time that's why She called that Magic Time Compression.
The Fact is that Macig actually absorbing time, simple as that.

Then you concede the point. Thank you.

Just read My previous posts in another manner or perspective maybe you can understand it.

Y'know, I could try responding to this in a falsely injured tone, but humor goes totally over your head, so I'll respond thusly.
"Guilty of what, and where is your evidence?"

And while I'm rather hard to offend, in the future, try not to call people liars without evidence thereof.

You are unbelieveable you cant even realized that you are guilty in something.

So you claim. Burdern of proof is now on you to support this position.

I dont need to prove it because this life prove it itself.

No, your explanation is bullhonky and you're too dogmatic to realize that.

See like I said you dont understand anything about TC, you cant even realized that/My explanation is true.

Red herring. Here let me be more specific. If I have ONE HOUR of Time, I have a FINITE amount of time. Big Bang to NOW is ALSO a finite amount of time.

Unfortunately no matter what you said time will never stop.

And you should look up the dichotomy paradox and understand why your argument, which is based off of it whether or not you realize it, is flawed.

If we are talking about time we will never have true definition of Time that's why no matter how many arguments exist today the argument always flawed.Even the argument is flawed but make sense.

You say that like you've ever actually listened to mine.
Of course, this repetition to ask a physics teacher tells me we're straying into appeal to authority territory here. Though since you brought your god into the argument for no practical purpose, that really comes as no shock.

I never brought god

Repeat after me- EXCEPT IN A SINGULARITY, WHERE THE TYPICAL RULES OF SPACE AND TIME DO NOT APPLY.

Singularity you are talking about never exist.

Compressed, as it were, into a singular point. How about that.

You cant compress time into singular point because time is infinite (cant you realized that).
You can absorbing time into a singular point even time is infinite.
The process will go on forever because time is infinite.

You DO know that the secondary Ulti is the input side, right?
Besides, this violates SO many types of parsimony it's... actually kinda funny

Well just read My thread Rev of the Truth you will find more detail about this Secondary Ultimecia.

I think this conversation will go on forever like this until you realized what time it is.

[Ryushikaze]

TC is Magic.Ultimecia really wants to compress time even She realized Time is infinite because She really wants to compress time that's why She called that Magic Time Compression.
The Fact is that Macig actually absorbing time, simple as that.

Simpler, actually. The magic is called COMPRESSION, because that's what it does. The absorption happens because she's turning it into energy to begin step 3, recast reality.

Just read My previous posts in another manner or perspective maybe you can understand it.

CONCESSION ACCEPTED. THANK YOU.

To further make this clear, any smegging time you tell me to look at your previous posts in another manner, or in any way, shape or smegging form imply that your crackpot delusion is valid and the only thing that keeps everyone else in the world, including the makers of the game itself from recognizing it is THEIR fault, INSTEAD of endeavouring to- Idunno- make the explanation comprehensible, I WILL treat it as a concession, and I encourage everyone else to do it too.

You are unbelieveable you cant even realized that you are guilty in something.

So what am I guilty of, o he who presumes guilt without proof?

I dont need to prove it because this life prove it itself.

I am going to parrot myself for a moment to highlight that you have failed to actually support this claim beyond a handwave and an insistence. Here goes. Ya ready for it?
"So you claim. Burdern of proof is now on you to support this position."

See like I said you dont understand anything about TC, you cant even realized that/My explanation is true.

What's that? Another insistence that the failure is with someone other than yourself, despite massive evidence to the contrary? I could almost set my watch by this.

And for what little future reference there need be, it is redundant to do the that/my thing. We aren't idiots. We know it's your little pet theory.

We also know it's not true.

Unfortunately no matter what you said time will never stop.

Y'know, I've had it up to here with your red herrings, really valid point and i'm impressed by your thinking.s, and ad hominems. Stop them. NOW. For someone who was being pissy about personal attacks, you commit a damn [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img]load of them.
Back on what passes for a topic, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO. Nevermind that there's a damn good chance it will- If it turns out the total molage of the universe exceeds a certain amount, CRUNCH CRUNCH universal singularity, time stops- A FINITE STRETCH IS A FINITE STRETCH, AND NEITHER CYCLICAL LOOPING NOR POINTLESS NEVERENDING REDUCTION OF MEASUREMENT WILL CHANGE THIS.

If we are talking about time we will never have true definition of Time that's why no matter how many arguments exist today the argument always flawed.Even the argument is flawed but make sense.

Whee! Failure to address the fact that your entire argument is based on a logical paradox that is disproved simply by the movement of space and time!

I never brought god

If I am not FE you go to hell Bahamut If I am FE I go to hell, take this bet?

Tell that to your god, if you have one.

Twice within the space of a page, you bring up god- and hell, which is close enough for this point since it's damn hard to find the one seperate from some form of the other- out of nowhere. In my experience, people who do that have shown themselves to be exceedingly prone to using appeals to authority in their arguments.

Singularity you are talking about never exist.

Really now? And what, pray tell, was the pre-universe- though technically, such a concept is rather moot, since before the big bang there was no time- then? A pretzel?

You cant compress time into singular point because time is infinite (cant you realized that).
You can absorbing time into a singular point even time is infinite.
The process will go on forever because time is infinite.

::breaks out the sock puppet:: Hi, Viator! I'm gonna make this REEEEAAAALL simple! Singular point of All = Singularity= Compressed by definition! YAAYYYYYY!

Well just read My thread Rev of the Truth you will find more detail about this Secondary Ultimecia.

Concession accepted, you parsimony violating butternugget. I read it. It violated parsimony like a power drill violates a roll of toilet paper.

I think this conversation will go on forever like this until you realized what time it is.

It would help if you learned what english grammar was.
It would also help if YOU SUPPORTED YOUR SMEGGING ARGUMENTS INSTEAD OF DOGMATICALLY INSISTING THEY WERE SO, SANS LOGICAL OR EMPIRICAL SUPPORT!

Allow me to tell you, straight up, that you are sounding, and acting, like a crazed, delusional, conspiracy nut. Step back. Look into other viewpoints. Do some research on what the makers of the game have stated regarding their own material.
Think critically. Not dogmatically.


Edit: Smegging typos.

[G SpOtZ]

I didn't read Ryushi's whole post, but I don't have to, because I got a tingly feeling inside. The feeling that says, "Viator loses again."

[Viator]

Simpler, actually. The magic is called COMPRESSION, because that's what it does. The absorption happens because she's turning it into energy to begin step 3, recast reality.

The Magic actually absorbing if not how can Ultimecia absorbing time.

Really now? And what, pray tell, was the pre-universe- though technically, such a concept is rather moot, since before the big bang there was no time- then? A pretzel?

If there's no time before big bang how can big bang happens.

I think I dont need to much talk with you, you cant even realized what you guilty of.
It just waste of time talking with someone like you.

[Sir Bahamut]

I didn't read Ryushi's whole post, but I don't have to, because I got a tingly feeling inside. The feeling that says, "Viator loses again."

Man, Viator has always been losing, and would have even if Ryu hadn't been so unbelievably patient as to bother coming with serious responses to him. It's always been clear that Viator's theories are ludicrous and completely pointless to discuss.

Still, it's entertaining seeing Ryu own him so persistently anyway

[Christmas]

We should read the whole thread over and over again till we understand what this 11 pages of STUFFS is all about.

[DK]

I think I dont need to much talk with you, you cant even realized what you guilty of.
It just waste of time talking with someone like you.

Hello Pot, meet Kettle.

[f f freak]

The Magic actually absorbing if not how can Ultimecia absorbing time

She isn't trying to absorb time she is trying to compress it. That was what the whole fight with ultimecia was about. Squall and co. found out Ultimecia was trying to compress time and decided to go play hero and kicked the absolute crap out of her. The magic was COMPRESSING. Unless of course every single piece of evidence that pointed that out was lying which for some reason I don't think that is the case here.

Man, Viator has always been losing

Possibly the most true thing I have ever seen. That should be carved in stone.