You shouldn't give him more ideas like that, because now, he's gonna back up his whole theory on that.Originally Posted by f f freak
Viator: "Teh gaeme is liar!"
Everybody sane: "Fine, contact Square and ask them yourself."
Viator: "I dun heff to aks Square coz they are wrongg!!"
Thank you Hysterian!
I think what we have here is a distinct lack of understanding on what truth is. Truth is not a matter of perspective. Truth is not a matter of intelligent comprehension. Truth is sheer hard fact. For example, this is a Final Fantasy website. That's truth. It's clearly evident that this is a FF website, and anyone with any logical capabilities can see that this a FF website. If people with logical capabilities cannot see what your explanation as truth, then it is impossible that it is truth.See like I said you dont understand anything about TC, you cant even realized my explanation is true.
So what is it? Is your explanation a theory? It could be. Theories are not truths. By definition, a theory can never be proved true. Theories are not evident to anyone with logical capabilities. Instead, theories stand on showing a rational explanation that backs up the theory. If that explanation makes logical sense, it is possible people will accept the theory. But theories require evidence, something you regularly fail to provide. More importantly, theories must not have any contradictory evidence, as one observation that does not fit the theory renders the whole theory void.
Now, in this particular instance, we are looking at a theory about a computer game set in a fantasy world. Hence, there are two main sources of evidence we can use. The game itself, from which we can take observations by the characters within about the FFVIII world, and the game creators, who are essentially the gods of the FFVIII world and thus the final judgment on any theories put forward. Using this guideline, there are so many pieces of contradictory evidence that your theory is found unacceptable by most logical people.
So what is this? It's an idea. It's fiction. It's quite imaginative fiction and your creativity must certainly be praised. But it's not truth and it's not theoretical. You have quite a creative mind, seems like you just need to realise what it's good at.
I'm fairly sure this thread is a dire warning to never take ourselves and our obsessions too seriously.We should read the whole thread over and over again till we understand what this 11 pages of STUFFS is all about.
OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE I DONE!!!!!!!
By transforming her body to do so, and creating a slave body with which to convert time and space into power. Y'know, like her scan info actually reveals.
The first thing happened.If there's no time before big bang how can big bang happens.
Kyono already dealt with this, but I'm curious, what am I guilty of, and where is your evidence?I think I dont need to much talk with you, you cant even realized what you guilty of.
It just waste of time talking with someone like you.
Oh, and concession accepted on all unaddressed points
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That's right She only T-R-Y-I-N-G to compress time but She cant that's why She absorbing time in Final Battle.She isn't trying to absorb time she is trying to compress it.
If you still cant understand this forget it.
Truth is something true whether you believe it or not.Truth is not a matter of perspective. Truth is not a matter of intelligent comprehension. Truth is sheer hard fact.
I dont have anything...You have quite a creative mind, seems like you just need to realise what it's good at.
Before big bag happens there's already time if not big bang will never happen.If you still cant understand this you'd better...The first thing happened.
Everyday people make a mistake that mistake make people guilty.what am I guilty of, and where is your evidence?
Even priest will say they are guilty.
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Someday I will conquer all and I will be free -- Believe
Wins. Oh, Viator, you lose, but this post... oh, it wins SO bad.
Thank you Hysterian!
You couldn't argue your way out of a paper-bag dude.
She succeeds in compression. THAT is why she absorbs it.
And in one swift blow, Viator totally invalidates any argument he defended with 'perspective'Truth is something true whether you believe it or not.
Yeah, everyone's taken a dig at this already.I dont have anything...
Time is a measure of change. 'Before' the BB, no change occurred. In the event of a crunch, time will stop, until such a time as another bang occurs, in which case it will start again. The trick to everything here is, Time is not a 'thing', it's a concept.Before big bag happens there's already time if not big bang will never happen.If you still cant understand this you'd better...
Guilt by mistake? Interesting philosophy. What are you insisting that everyone is guilty of then?Everyday people make a mistake that mistake make people guilty. Even priest will say they are guilty.
And 'priests' is how you turn that word into the plural.
Oh goodness, this thread is a monstrosity... I can't be bothered to read it all so I'll just jump in here.
Anyway.
Time is neither finite nor inflexible. Neither is space.
Ultimecia's goal is to compress time, absorbing the power of all sorceresses throughout history, and then absorbing and enslaving all existence. We know this from dialogue and information within the game.
Relativity proves that time is flexible. As velocity increases, time slows down. Atomic clocks placed in orbit of the Earth eventually lose synch with clocks on the planet's surface, proving the effect of velocity on the passage of time. A fellow named Einstein had a few words to say about this, too - apparently he was quite a bright chap.
Time is not an absolute, unchanging universal constant. Neither is space. Gravity distorts the structure of space (actually, gravity IS a distortion, but this is kind of extraneous here, I'm just illustrating). It's hard for a human mind to envisage the univese before the existence of time, since it's integral to our perception of the universe. Just as most people have difficulty visualising a universe of more or less than three physical dimensions. However, just because a human mind has trouble with a concept, does not mean it is an impossibility. We depend on events happening sequentially, with the passage of time and the phenomenon of causality linking an infinity of separate moments into a coherent whole. It's tough to imagine time ceasing to exist, since our own existence depends on time.
Time is one aspect of the universe we live in, but it's an aspect that is not absolute and universal. Theoretical analysis, and real-world experiments have demonstrated this. Basic human technology can alter the passage of time, by the exceedingly simple means of making an object move fast.
So it's quite reasonable for a fantasy video game to have a plot involving the compression of time via magic. Time travel has existed in fiction for centuries, and time compression is only a few steps more outlandish.
TC is Magic.Ultimecia really wants to compress time even She realized Time is infinite because She really wants to compress time that's why She called that Magic, Time Compression Magic.
Scan Ultimecia it said Absorbing Time and Space NOT compressing.
This is the proof that TC is absorbing NOT compressing.
The Fact is this Magic actually absorbing time, simple as that.
If you cant comprehend it forget it.
Time is one of the world's deepest mystery.No one can say exactly what it is. time has primarily been perceived as a virtual entity.Yet, the ability to measure time makes our way of life possible.Most human activities involve groups of people acting together in the same place at the same time.People could not do this if they did not measure time in the same way.
One way of thinking about time is a world without time.This timeless world would be at a standstill.But if some kind of change took place, that timeless world would be different "now" than it was "before".The period-no matter how brief-between "before" and "now" indicates that time must have passed.Thus,time and change are related because the passing of time depends on changes taking place.In real world,changes NEVER STOP HAPPENING,that means TIME IS INFINITE.Some changes seem to happen only once,like the falling of a particular leaf.Other changes happen over and over again,like the breaking of waves against the shore.
Any change that takes place again and again stands out from other changes.The rising and setting of the sun examples of such change.The first people to keep time probably counted such natural repeating events and used them to keep track of events that did not repeat.
Space always changing that means time will never stop;time is infinite.
Time has many infinite time dimensions
The number of time dimensions is infinite. This means that you cannot count how many time dimensions as it goes on forever.
Time has intervals. This means that the time dimensions have intervals between each other. In other words, it is the time difference between each time dimension. But really, there isn’t any because the difference is so small, a time dimension could equal that difference which again has interval difference that just goes on for infinity but gets smaller in difference each time.
Time force relies on itself to keep it going. This means that every time dimension there are, they are all needed to rely on each other to keep time itself going. If this is true, then time is infinite which is true and so this is true.
If time relies on itself to be infinite, then that must mean there is a loop of time.
Time is always everywhere. Wherever anything is, there will always be time.
If time exists anywhere, then in a black hole where they say there is no time, there has to be time, or everything is nothing. It only slows it down so much it hardly moves but still does move.
Time is something that passes uniformly without regard to whatever happens in the world.Time is a measure of the cycles of change within the world.
Absorbing time will make A New Dimension of Time where Any Dimension of Time (past,present,future and whatnot) exist together in That New Dimension of Time.
This New Demension of Time will keep contain All Time (past,present,future and whatnot) because time is infinite the process of absorbing time will go on forever, that's why there's 2 Ultimecias, The First Ultimecia will keep absorbing time to make The New Dimension of Time and The Second Ultimecia Ultimecia will/can reign in That New Dimension of Time.
Time slows down the faster you move.Relativity proves that time is flexible. As velocity increases, time slows down.
I wonder if this just a theory or for real.
Someday I will conquer all and I will be free -- Believe
Untrue. The scan information said absolutely nothing regarding the compression of time. Nor did it say anything about the magic of time compression. It said that Ultimecia HERSELF had transformed in order to absorb space and time.
And yet we got along for thousands of years without any concept of time beyond certain events.Time is one of the world's deepest mystery.No one can say exactly what it is. time has primarily been perceived as a virtual entity.Yet, the ability to measure time makes our way of life possible.Most human activities involve groups of people acting together in the same place at the same time.People could not do this if they did not measure time in the same way.
Again, you regurgitate the dichotomy paradox. Just because you can theoretically break a length of time down into an infinite amoung of infinitely minute measurements, it does not mean that that length is itself infinite. It may sound silly to you, but we can do the same with a length of matter, such as a meter, and that meter is itself still finite.One way of thinking about time is a world without time.This timeless world would be at a standstill.But if some kind of change took place, that timeless world would be different "now" than it was "before".The period-no matter how brief-between "before" and "now" indicates that time must have passed.Thus,time and change are related because the passing of time depends on changes taking place.In real world,changes NEVER STOP HAPPENING,that means TIME IS INFINITE.Some changes seem to happen only once,like the falling of a particular leaf.Other changes happen over and over again,like the breaking of waves against the shore.
A lot of repetitive, unsubstantiated BS went hereWhich means it is finite. A mobius strip may 'go on forever', but it is still a finite strip.If time relies on itself to be infinite, then that must mean there is a loop of time.
Time is always everywhere. Wherever anything is, there will always be time.
If cannot be used to prove is. The 'then' concluded from an 'if' is only true if the 'if' is true. If it isn't, then the 'then' is meaningless.If time exists anywhere, then in a black hole where they say there is no time, there has to be time, or everything is nothing. It only slows it down so much it hardly moves but still does move.
You've been told repeatedly that this is not the case. Repeating this claim endlessly will not make it true.Time is something that passes uniformly without regard to whatever happens in the world.Time is a measure of the cycles of change within the world.
This aspect of relativitivty has been observed, so even if the theory fails and is replaced, this aspect will remain verified.Time slows down the faster you move.
I wonder if this just a theory or for real.
If it seems like I didn't really respond to much of this post, it's because there was little to respond to that hasn't been said before.
Ultimecia absorbing time because TC is absorbing not compressing.
You misunderstand the meaning of TC and Ultimecia's Motives.TC is Magic.Ultimecia really wants to compress time even She realized Time is infinite because She really wants to compress time that's why She called that Magic, Time Compression Magic.
Scan Ultimecia it said Absorbing Time and Space NOT compressing.
This is the proof that TC is absorbing NOT compressing.
The Fact is this Magic actually absorbing time, simple as that.
If you cant comprehend it forget it.
Someday I will conquer all and I will be free -- Believe
So, yeah. Unless you come up with a better comeback than THAT, concession accepted on Ulti's motives and Time Compression's 'meaning', as if it had one more than the obvious.
I, for one, don't think Ultimecia was going to compress all of time, only a sizeable chunk in the area surrounding her world. Enough to give her basically absolute power, anyway, especially in the eyes of the world's inhabitants. [q=Viator]Time has many infinite time dimensions
The number of time dimensions is infinite. This means that you cannot count how many time dimensions as it goes on forever.[/q]The number of dimensions has no relevance to the size of something. A one-dimensional form - a line - could, in theory, be infinitely long. There's some speculation that time itself IS just a single dimension, much like height and the other physical dimensions.
Ultimecia's plan, it seems, was to compress the matter and energy from across the ages into a single focal point - herself. The first stages of that process enabled Squall and others to cross into her time, as the various eras became intermingled and less separated from one another. [q=Viator]Time slows down the faster you move.
I wonder if this just a theory or for real.[/q]Since this actually happens in the real world, and can be observed through existing technolohy, then yes - it's real. It's a fundamental factor in understanding the malleability of space and time.
Well, Ultimecias final form is apparently absorbing "all existence", which may indicate that she wasn't merely settling with just a sizeable chunk, as it were. I think that Ultimecia definitely wished to compress all of time; it would fit in with her greedy, vengeful character much better. I can't really see her settling with anything but the entire space-time continuum.
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