Revelation of Time Compression

[Pharoh Amon Khan III]

First I have to let everyone know that: No, I HAVE NOT read ALL the post in this thread. I only know that I was banned from this forum many times many years ago when I made my statements about this and other subjects...

If you ask me... Time Compression is this: The Everlasting Moment...

You want more details than that? PM me.

[Zeromus_X]

We've kinda figured out that TC is all past, present, and future 'compressed' into one moment, like was said in the game. Unfortunately, arguments can actually evolve into arguing about physics and the laws of space and time regarding a fictional plot element in a video game when it's just a spell.

[Viator]

Time is finite that means there's no future, there's only past and present/Now time.
You cant go to the future but only can go to the past because future not exist in finite time.

Time is infinite means past,present and future exist at the same time.
You can go to the future and go to the past.
Squall and Co can go to the future;to Ultimecia's Time.
Squall can go to the past. This prove that Time in FF8 World is infinite.
Because Time is infinite in FF8 World, The process of absorbing time,space and energy will go on forever, but it doesnt really matter because there's 2 Ultimecias.The First Ultimecia will keep absorbing time,space and energy and The Second Ultimecia will reign in New Dimension of Time She created

If there's no time before Big Bang, Big Bang will never occur because The process of Big bang takes time to occur, that means time already exist before Big Bang.

But it can exist without changing.

Time still exist even in nothingness.
And of course there's no such thing as nothingness.

Your explanation requires more terms, arrives at the same result, and fails to fully explain itself. It is a terrible explanation.
Though to give you the benefit of the doubt, don't simplify. Explain it. FULLY.

I can only give the simple picture of that New Dimensionof Time Ultimecia created.
And of course NOBODY save Ultimecia can fully know/understand what is that New Dumension is all about.

Infinite suffers the burden of proof.

Infinite suffers the burden of Imagination.

The. Universe. Is. Finite. Until. Proven. Otherwise. PERIOD.

Black Holes exist that means Universe is not finite but infinite.


I STRONGLY recommend you to PERUSE My post no 1 again.

If this is My Last Post SO BE IT!
If not I will reply in another time...

[Qurange]

...Why, exactly, does time being finite mean that there is no future? 'Future' is just a descriptor for a time period 'ahead' of us in our chronologically attuned minds, and all that. In a fated world with finite time, 'future' and 'past' only have meaning depending on one's place in time.

[Sir Bahamut]

Good question. Here's a better one though; do you really expect Viator to come with a good answer?

[Qurange]

No, no, I don't. But it was nice to poke my head back into the thread.

[Ryushikaze]

Time is finite that means there's no future, there's only past and present/Now time. You cant go to the future but only can go to the past because future not exist in finite time.

So, your definiton- emphasis on your- of finite time means that there is no future. The actual definition of 'finite' does not preclude a future. The only thing finite implies is an eventual end.

Time is infinite means past,present and future exist at the same time.
You can go to the future and go to the past.

This is not impossible in a finite timespan. The only thing a finite timespan makes impossible is going beyond the start and endpoints.

Squall and Co can go to the future;to Ultimecia's Time.
Squall can go to the past. This prove that Time in FF8 World is infinite.
Because Time is infinite in FF8 World, The process of absorbing time,space and energy will go on forever, but it doesnt really matter because there's 2 Ultimecias.The First Ultimecia will keep absorbing time,space and energy and The Second Ultimecia will reign in New Dimension of Time She created

You entire argument relies on the false dichotomy of either 'finite time/ no time travel' or 'infinite time/ allowance of time travel'. And it IS a false dichotomy, since you are twisting the definition of finite to suit your purposes.

If there's no time before Big Bang, Big Bang will never occur because The process of Big bang takes time to occur, that means time already exist before Big Bang.

No. When the Big Bang starts, so does time. We are still in the process of the Big Bang, after all.

Time still exist even in nothingness.
And of course there's no such thing as nothingness.

Time can exist in something which does not exist? Paradox much?

I can only give the simple picture of that New Dimensionof Time Ultimecia created.
And of course NOBODY save Ultimecia can fully know/understand what is that New Dumension is all about.

So you can't explain your supposedly superior postulate, cannot explain its functional difference from the original theory, and in the end, you claim it is unknowable, and in doing so, fall into one of the most bizarre appeals to ignorance I've seen in awhile. You fail on so many levels.

Infinite suffers the burden of Imagination.

It still suffers the burden of proof. Prove infinity exists. Do not rely on ontological BS to shore it up.

Black Holes exist that means Universe is not finite but infinite.

Explain how Black Holes- which are nothing more than dense, supermassive bodies in space- prove an infinite universe. I look forward to your failure of an explanation.

I STRONGLY recommend you to PERUSE My post no 1 again.

I strongly recommend you to peruse a dictionary and also an encyclopedia to understand the terms you are using and the concepts you are discussing.

If this is My Last Post SO BE IT!
If not I will reply in another time...

If this is your last post, then allow me to formally state that your concession is readily and gladly accepted.
Remember kids, if you run away, you definitely didn't win.

[licence]

What are you all talking about?

There was no Big Bang. God made everything

[Eiko Guy]

what if time travel was possible using cryogenic freezing and a remote scripted wave that will reactivate the time vessel


for example tom gets in his time machine and the machine goes to where in the past a radio wave will pass it and reactivate it now the only way they radiowave will reactivate it is if time works in a loop so he is there when the universe in a way restarts and the radio wave hits the time machine that has been sitting in space for eternity and reactivates there instant time travel only problem is time has to repeat it self for eternity

[Ryushikaze]

What are you all talking about?

There was no Big Bang. God made everything :p

Then what made god?

I'm fairly certain the quoted isn't being serious, but always remember three things, kid. Occam's Razor, the Principle of Parsimony, and the Burden of Proof. 'God' fails all three.

Faith is fine. Faith is not evidence.

[Shoden]

I think my head undergone the big bang from all this talk, it's pretty interesting still, I'll pop in once in a while to see the debate progress.

[Pharoh Amon Khan III]

Alright, let's just throw out the 'physics'. Well, let's just set it aside for now... Like a slice of pie.... (hmmm... pie )

The Sorceress is the equvilent of "The Anti-Christ" or "Demi-God" and the power has only evolved and strengthened with each generation. Now what could be the ultimate goal of the Ultimate Sorceress with the Ultimate Power?


You take all the time of the peak of that power's evolution and absorb it into yourself and snatch one moment in time and make it everlasting. Forever... Eternal. Say, your greatest moment in your life, your greatest and ultimate victory and that day NEVER NEVER ends.... That is what Time compression is: The everlasting moment...

1= Past
2= Present
3= Future
1.5= Actual present
1+2=3

3/2=1.5

In effect, Ultimecia is now safe from the never ending witch hunts because she remains in an everlasting moment of time and everyone else has moved on...

Get it? Listen to "Eyes On Me" and Ultimecia's last words. Then, if you can, watch the final scenes and maybe it'll clear things up.

[Rocket Edge]

Alright, let's just throw out the 'physics'. Well, let's just set it aside for now... Like a slice of pie.... (hmmm... pie )

The Sorceress is the equvilent of "The Anti-Christ" or "Demi-God" and the power has only evolved and strengthened with each generation. Now what could be the ultimate goal of the Ultimate Sorceress with the Ultimate Power?


You take all the time of the peak of that power's evolution and absorb it into yourself and snatch one moment in time and make it everlasting. Forever... Eternal. Say, your greatest moment in your life, your greatest and ultimate victory and that day NEVER NEVER ends.... That is what Time compression is: The everlasting moment...

1= Past
2= Present
3= Future
1.5= Actual present
1+2=3

3/2=1.5

In effect, Ultimecia is now safe from the never ending witch hunts because she remains in an everlasting moment of time and everyone else has moved on...

Get it? Listen to "Eyes On Me" and Ultimecia's last words. Then, if you can, watch the final scenes and maybe it'll clear things up.

*Applauds*

[Pharoh Amon Khan III]

Please.... Illucidate for me.

So let me try to understand...

You're trying to theorize the actual result of Time Compression if it were to actually happen within our dimension?

And NOT, I now assume, understand the why and how of Time Compression and the why and how Ultimecia attempted it?

[Rocket Edge]

The Sorceress is the equvilent of "The Anti-Christ" or "Demi-God" and the power has only evolved and strengthened with each generation. Now what could be the ultimate goal of the Ultimate Sorceress with the Ultimate Power?


You take all the time of the peak of that power's evolution and absorb it into yourself and snatch one moment in time and make it everlasting. Forever... Eternal. Say, your greatest moment in your life, your greatest and ultimate victory and that day NEVER NEVER ends.... That is what Time compression is: The everlasting moment...

I believe what you said in these passages were very true. People always want to find why villians are so evil & what is there motive. You just gave an answer to it.